Way more capitalistic than what we have now

closer to actual capitalism

but then what do we have now?

corporatism

I don't understand this notion that capitalism is not a mode of production

state involvement in things as welfare and healthcare

It's not fair capitalism if you have top compete with the state

why not just say livertarianism instead of capitalism?

if you wanna say free market

libertarianism also has the social freedom, capitalism doesn't say much about homosexuality and such

the only way I see that you can put capitalism into some historical perspective is to call it a mode of production, a social relation of production. This was exactly what changed when we went from feudalism to capitalism in the american and french revolutions

and it was what changed in the anarchist revolutions

and it was what changed when people revolted against slave society

I don't see another way to properly put capitalism into it's place in history

Well shame for you then

Still very much recommend that debate I linked, a fair debate with two competent sides

who are the sides?

I'm not gonna watch it sorry, or atleast not tonight

doesn't have to be tonight

Simply socialists vs capitalists

what kind of socialist?

dude lmao

watch it or don't

I'm just interested

will this be obvious shortly into the debate?

you already said that the person in favor of capitalism is a libertarian

but is the socialist an ancom, marksoc or ml?

not always, can be conservative too

very imporntat

in that debate

that specific person

go find out

cause I don't remember, not that it's any big deal in a debate anyway

it's absolutely a big deal. A marxist will view the world very different than an ancom

like a right-libertarian will view the world very differently than a fascist

Okay dude watch it or don't I don't care

I'm not going to rewatch it to tell you what his side specifically is called

well okay

I'll try and find out by watching the first part

first bit*

oh wow the debate starts 28 minutes in