Indonesia? Malaysia? Japan with it's insane work hours?

None because they're all shitholes and they can be better under socialism.

Compared to your socialist utopia yes

I'd rather compare it to other countries in history

What socialist utopia?

It's quite literally the course of history

The one that has never been achieved by any socialist country

Uh, wrong.

Or can you point to one?

Yugoslavia.

Very poor compared to the west at that time

Very poor?

Yes

It had great relations with the East and West

Or did the western people flee to Yugoslavia?

Booming economy for a time.

People didn't need to flee lol.

Until the racism came

No but people do to Hong Kong, Singapore and the west in general

If it's a shining beacon people will go to it

Okay? That can depend on several factors. It doesn't mean they're great.

It really does

Why else would they come here?

Your point?

Western corporations fled to China to basically have slave labor wages

Because the chinese government promised no competition I imagine

I'll be back in a bit, like 15 min

No.

It's a second world country, no unions, good infrastructure and tons of workforce.

And you're telling me we should be promoting this for "freedom"?

Freedom certainly not for the hundreds of thousands of blue collar workers who lost their jobs in the 80s and 90s.

Why take China as an example when Hong Kong or Singapore are much more capitalistic?

And if you get to say that china is capitalistic than I can open up a can of worms with your socialists utopias all day long

Where was the paradise for the millions who starved under backwards retarded socialist policies?

Was there any social mobility in the socialist countries?

Face it, capitalism won in the end, sadly a lot of countries are now falling into the same trap of thinking the state should provide ever more services

And if you say that wasn't real socialism well then

It's simply the result of having that much power in the hands of so few, you only need one malevolent moron to take power to bring your people to starvation

@Timo))) now I don't really have time to engage with you, but I will quickly reply to something you asked me.
"If you're saying that a free market is not capitalism I don't know what to tell you
What economic books have you read that claim it isn't?"
I'd just like to talk about the statement that the free market or just market is capitalism. Simplifying it to this kinda falls apart when you look at some things. Fx, there were markets, arguably free markets before we had capitalism and some anti-capitalist movements have been market oriented, like market socialism. While not very popular, mutualism is likewise also a radical socialist free-market ideology.
If you wanna keep to your definition, then I'd ask you to explain to me what people mean when they say that the french revolution turned the society from feudalism to capitalism, because the main thing that changed sure wasn't

how free the market was

Never said it was exclusive to capitalism, just that to have capitalism you have to have a free market