They have shitty tenants for their workers to live in. They have lights and water and that's about it, and they have no union representation, and it's often a dirty place.

You would not like to be a working class person from Hong Kong.

Compared to what other country around it?

What's a better country near hong kong?

Indonesia? Malaysia? Japan with it's insane work hours?

None because they're all shitholes and they can be better under socialism.

Compared to your socialist utopia yes

I'd rather compare it to other countries in history

What socialist utopia?

It's quite literally the course of history

The one that has never been achieved by any socialist country

Uh, wrong.

Or can you point to one?

Yugoslavia.

Very poor compared to the west at that time

Very poor?

Yes

It had great relations with the East and West

Or did the western people flee to Yugoslavia?

Booming economy for a time.

People didn't need to flee lol.

Until the racism came

No but people do to Hong Kong, Singapore and the west in general

If it's a shining beacon people will go to it

Okay? That can depend on several factors. It doesn't mean they're great.

It really does

Why else would they come here?

Your point?

Western corporations fled to China to basically have slave labor wages

Because the chinese government promised no competition I imagine

I'll be back in a bit, like 15 min

No.

It's a second world country, no unions, good infrastructure and tons of workforce.

And you're telling me we should be promoting this for "freedom"?

Freedom certainly not for the hundreds of thousands of blue collar workers who lost their jobs in the 80s and 90s.

Why take China as an example when Hong Kong or Singapore are much more capitalistic?

And if you get to say that china is capitalistic than I can open up a can of worms with your socialists utopias all day long

Where was the paradise for the millions who starved under backwards retarded socialist policies?

Was there any social mobility in the socialist countries?

Face it, capitalism won in the end, sadly a lot of countries are now falling into the same trap of thinking the state should provide ever more services

And if you say that wasn't real socialism well then