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a most condemable fate

for the british to admire the american culture...

Lolwat

I like how yall just decided on random presumptions for communism lmao

And were like "much facts, pls debate"

please....

are you going to argue that communism is stable?

over a long period of time?

you are foolish if you think so

Reminder: this is leftypol

I mean

Given time immemorial before fuedalism

i don't care if its leftypol

perhaps then

Being essentially that of a stateless, classless society, I dont quite know what you mean.

i should bring order to this chaos

no, but it very clearly wasn't classless was it

You act as if people naturally just made states, as if they werent crafted in a ceremony

And yes, yes it was

ofc states don't merely come into being

Large amounts of people lived in relative equality and subsisted lol

russia has cultures and peoples stretching back 4 millenia

and other communist states

very much the same

Its very much a stable thing, unless you argue might is right and believe the only aspect of ideology is its ability to murder people

And thats irrelevant so.

no, but isn't

Im simply saying states arent the reality of nature

And that to pretend otherwise is _foolish_

I guess the word would be.

states are a product of the emmergence of society, even a mobile state is a state.

Given all we know about tribes, the experminents in the 1800s

Its simply a matter of not getting murdered in infancy lmao

So no, order, organization,

Is a product of the emergence of society

Not states.

pathetic

You can very much have organization, without a state.

Regardless as to whether or not you think its pathetic or not.

Humanity says otherwise.