Given time immemorial before fuedalism

i don't care if its leftypol

perhaps then

Being essentially that of a stateless, classless society, I dont quite know what you mean.

i should bring order to this chaos

no, but it very clearly wasn't classless was it

You act as if people naturally just made states, as if they werent crafted in a ceremony

And yes, yes it was

ofc states don't merely come into being

Large amounts of people lived in relative equality and subsisted lol

russia has cultures and peoples stretching back 4 millenia

and other communist states

very much the same

Its very much a stable thing, unless you argue might is right and believe the only aspect of ideology is its ability to murder people

And thats irrelevant so.

no, but isn't

Im simply saying states arent the reality of nature

And that to pretend otherwise is _foolish_

I guess the word would be.

states are a product of the emmergence of society, even a mobile state is a state.

Given all we know about tribes, the experminents in the 1800s

Its simply a matter of not getting murdered in infancy lmao

So no, order, organization,

Is a product of the emergence of society

Not states.

pathetic

You can very much have organization, without a state.

Regardless as to whether or not you think its pathetic or not.

Humanity says otherwise.

I think you might be apart of that group lol.

no, but clearly states and society go hand in hand with co-operation of peoples of an ethnic group

that is how it was

Or they dont, and didnt, until imposed.

not how it is so much now

yes

By you know, elites

Because thats how you consolidate power.

But then are we over the point about them being stable then?

and where the hell do you think the entireity of human history has existed in? what political territory? the territory of absolute leadership of a few individuals controlling the wealth and interests of others

no

they aren't stable