Message from @alines

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2018-02-25 04:34:14 UTC  

@Lucas 4313 I'm a nazi.

2018-02-25 04:34:20 UTC  

oh right

2018-02-25 04:34:21 UTC  

he's anti-marxist, as a nazi

2018-02-25 04:34:22 UTC  

anyway

2018-02-25 04:35:04 UTC  

the state cannot dissolve unless the former state takes undeniable precedence over the world

2018-02-25 04:35:29 UTC  

@alines The issue with non marxist and anti marxist leftist beliefs, is that most of the time, they do not get far at all.

2018-02-25 04:35:50 UTC  

would it still? even in that case, when the state has conquered the whole world? i doubt it

2018-02-25 04:36:31 UTC  

we'll cross that bridge when we get there

2018-02-25 04:36:36 UTC  

we havent even come close

2018-02-25 04:37:17 UTC  

I mean, when you centralize the world, and everybody becomes dependant on a single state, there is no real reason to just say "OKAY, ANARCHY FOR ALL, FUCK STABILITY AND ALL THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE.".

2018-02-25 04:37:39 UTC  

thats....

2018-02-25 04:37:41 UTC  

not how it works

2018-02-25 04:37:45 UTC  

its not anarchy

2018-02-25 04:38:05 UTC  

i think the worst thing that could happen in a world-wide red bureaucracy is that it would deny its own existence

2018-02-25 04:38:28 UTC  

@Lucas 4313 Stateless society with no centralized form of power? That's anarchy in it's pure definition my man.

2018-02-25 04:38:36 UTC  

while still existing

2018-02-25 04:38:59 UTC  

@alines That's akin to trotsky's beliefs.

2018-02-25 04:39:18 UTC  

so if anarchy is the end goal, why jump through all these superviolent hoops?

2018-02-25 04:39:19 UTC  

the way I see it there is extremely small centralized government while the rest lives in what appears to be a state in perfect unison

2018-02-25 04:39:55 UTC  

@Lucas 4313 The way YOU see it? So much for being a marxist.

2018-02-25 04:40:04 UTC  

>small
>centralized
PICK ONE

2018-02-25 04:40:44 UTC  

you know theres local and central government, and they coexist literally everywhere

2018-02-25 04:40:56 UTC  

but the end goal is left to broad terms in most of marx's works

2018-02-25 04:40:58 UTC  
2018-02-25 04:41:17 UTC  

f e d e r a l

2018-02-25 04:41:45 UTC  

Yhea, the state is not exactly a local government, it is a regional government.

2018-02-25 04:42:19 UTC  

thats practically the same

2018-02-25 04:42:30 UTC  

No it isn't.

2018-02-25 04:42:39 UTC  

local = regional

2018-02-25 04:43:02 UTC  

and federation is more of an alliance/covenant between local bodies of government

2018-02-25 04:43:24 UTC  

local means city, or village

2018-02-25 04:43:55 UTC  

local has no exact meaning as it changes from state to state, the point is small scale and large scale government

2018-02-25 04:44:00 UTC  

and what powers are assigned to them

2018-02-25 04:44:03 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308995540782284817/417179918271774741/Screenshot_20180224-234354.jpg

2018-02-25 04:44:50 UTC  

well i mean earth is local relative to the whole universe <:blobsmirk:396521731185180684>

2018-02-25 04:45:24 UTC  

on scale of the community, the nation state is pretty big

2018-02-25 04:45:38 UTC  

@alines Indeed.

2018-02-25 04:45:50 UTC  

thank you nerd

2018-02-25 04:45:58 UTC  

thats what im trying to say

2018-02-25 04:46:11 UTC  

local is relative but the formula is still local and central government

2018-02-25 04:46:13 UTC  

just image how big a world govt. is to every small community