Message from @Lucas 4313
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@Lucas 4313 Pol pot tried it.
pol pot failed
@Lucas 4313 He got taken out by his former comrades.
bakunin said "no it wouldn't dissolve itself" and not once has that happened in cases for socialism in which the state was conquered
rather than annihilated
@alines Indeed, marxist ideals really do not hold up.
Rex whos side are you on
what are you
@Lucas 4313 I'm a nazi.
oh right
he's anti-marxist, as a nazi
anyway
the state cannot dissolve unless the former state takes undeniable precedence over the world
@alines The issue with non marxist and anti marxist leftist beliefs, is that most of the time, they do not get far at all.
would it still? even in that case, when the state has conquered the whole world? i doubt it
we'll cross that bridge when we get there
we havent even come close
I mean, when you centralize the world, and everybody becomes dependant on a single state, there is no real reason to just say "OKAY, ANARCHY FOR ALL, FUCK STABILITY AND ALL THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE.".
thats....
not how it works
i think the worst thing that could happen in a world-wide red bureaucracy is that it would deny its own existence
@Lucas 4313 Stateless society with no centralized form of power? That's anarchy in it's pure definition my man.
while still existing
@alines That's akin to trotsky's beliefs.
so if anarchy is the end goal, why jump through all these superviolent hoops?
the way I see it there is extremely small centralized government while the rest lives in what appears to be a state in perfect unison
@Lucas 4313 The way YOU see it? So much for being a marxist.
>small
>centralized
PICK ONE
you know theres local and central government, and they coexist literally everywhere
but the end goal is left to broad terms in most of marx's works
@Lucas 4313 No?
f e d e r a l
Yhea, the state is not exactly a local government, it is a regional government.
thats practically the same
No it isn't.
local = regional
and federation is more of an alliance/covenant between local bodies of government
local means city, or village
local has no exact meaning as it changes from state to state, the point is small scale and large scale government
and what powers are assigned to them