@alines And then the republicans were destroyed by franco and the falange.

right.
it all happened because of those marxist splitters trying to strangle competition from anarchists

@alines Nope, it was just sheer incompitence, and the fact that they got outclassed by the fascists.

uh-huh.
which is why franco had so much trouble fighting the anarchists before greedy republican intervention

the anarchists were the most powerful force against franco before the republican movement got stupid and decided to fight the anarchists too

proof that marxism will always be irredeemable

Was it Marxism in particular that betrayed Catalonia?

What was the ideological base for Catalonia?

Anarcho Syndicalism?

catalonia was anarchist.
yes, anarcho-syndicalist.
the republican movement was marxist

Did POUM fight the Anarchists?

I don't get how you blame Marxism itself for the betrayal of Catalonia

Orwell fought alongside the POUM

And they themselves blame the stalin

i don't think they did fight the anarchists

i guess i was generalizing

Do we have any marxist Leninist here who can scientifically explain the reasons?

I am sure they opposed anarchist societies because of reasons embedded in dialectical materialist logic

it is possible that i drove them away with anti-statist rhetoric

at least the more active ML users

Used to be a pretty anti Communist Anarchist

Anti Communist in the sense anti ML/MLM

But then it was the marxist concept of dialectical and historical materialism that convinced me to be a statist if not a pure ML commie

I like how this server doesn't have any visible roles

Not even mods/regulars

@Adarsh Balak Hello. ML here. Can you please formulate the question differently so I have a better understanding.

@Firefly I don't know much about the Spanish civil war.The anarchists and the trotskyists claim that the stalinists betrayed them.Is this statement true?

And even if the stalinist did oppose them

@Adarsh Balak Stalin was supporting anarchists with guns and powder.

I'm sure there were reasons based in ML theory

Marxist in Spain mostly been willing to work with syndicalists. But syndicalists often rejected the help due to ideological reasons.

After a time more organized, Marxist groups start winning local fights and anarchists losing. In that time anarchists lost a lot of power in the region and Marxist groups gained more.

Anarchists started to rebel against Marxists groups.

Including POUM?

The problem is they lost power and consider it as a betrayal.

All because they are not used to take responsibility of their actions.

@Adarsh Balak I don't know much details.

Orwell fought alongside a trotskyist militia

And yet he found reason to blame the MLs

But I guess Orwell and materialism didn't go well enough