Message from @Adarsh Balak
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What was the ideological base for Catalonia?
Anarcho Syndicalism?
catalonia was anarchist.
yes, anarcho-syndicalist.
the republican movement was marxist
Did POUM fight the Anarchists?
I don't get how you blame Marxism itself for the betrayal of Catalonia
Orwell fought alongside the POUM
And they themselves blame the stalin
i don't think they did fight the anarchists
i guess i was generalizing
Do we have any marxist Leninist here who can scientifically explain the reasons?
I am sure they opposed anarchist societies because of reasons embedded in dialectical materialist logic
it is possible that i drove them away with anti-statist rhetoric
at least the more active ML users
Used to be a pretty anti Communist Anarchist
Anti Communist in the sense anti ML/MLM
But then it was the marxist concept of dialectical and historical materialism that convinced me to be a statist if not a pure ML commie
I like how this server doesn't have any visible roles
Not even mods/regulars
@Adarsh Balak Hello. ML here. Can you please formulate the question differently so I have a better understanding.
And even if the stalinist did oppose them
@Adarsh Balak Stalin was supporting anarchists with guns and powder.
I'm sure there were reasons based in ML theory
Marxist in Spain mostly been willing to work with syndicalists. But syndicalists often rejected the help due to ideological reasons.
After a time more organized, Marxist groups start winning local fights and anarchists losing. In that time anarchists lost a lot of power in the region and Marxist groups gained more.
Anarchists started to rebel against Marxists groups.
Including POUM?
The problem is they lost power and consider it as a betrayal.
All because they are not used to take responsibility of their actions.
@Adarsh Balak I don't know much details.
Orwell fought alongside a trotskyist militia
And yet he found reason to blame the MLs
But I guess Orwell and materialism didn't go well enough
All of them fought alongside when Marxist groups had no power yet. After they gain some everybody start to freak out a bit.
I thought the Marxists themselves had a split
Between the trotskyists and MLs
This split is always happening. Is happening all the time. Science of Marxism has nothing in common with situational and populist power gain tactics of Trotskiests
That is why we have to split before major events. Trotskyists and mensheviks will betray in the most important moment.
responsibility for what actions?