Message from @η αρετή Ενωχ
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Or do you mean the modern bourgeois private property?
But does wage-labour create any property for the labourer? Not a bit. It creates capital, i.e., that kind of property which exploits wage-labour, and which cannot increase except upon condition of begetting a new supply of wage-labour for fresh exploitation. Property, in its present form, is based on the antagonism of capital and wage labour. Let us examine both sides of this antagonism.
To be a capitalist, is to have not only a purely personal, but a social status in production. Capital is a collective product, and only by the united action of many members, nay, in the last resort, only by the united action of all members of society, can it be set in motion.
Capital is therefore not only personal; it is a social power.
When, therefore, capital is converted into common property, into the property of all members of society, personal property is not thereby transformed into social property. It is only the social character of the property that is changed. It loses its class character.
Let us now take wage-labour.
The average price of wage-labour is the minimum wage, i.e., that quantum of the means of subsistence which is absolutely requisite to keep the labourer in bare existence as a labourer. What, therefore, the wage-labourer appropriates by means of his labour, merely suffices to prolong and reproduce a bare existence. We by no means intend to abolish this personal appropriation of the products of labour, an appropriation that is made for the maintenance and reproduction of human life, and that leaves no surplus wherewith to command the labour of others. All that we want to do away with is the miserable character of this appropriation, under which the labourer lives merely to increase capital, and is allowed to live only in so far as the interest of the ruling class requires it.
In bourgeois society, living labour is but a means to increase accumulated labour. In Communist society, accumulated labour is but a means to widen, to enrich, to promote the existence of the labourer.
well from what i gather you don't mind people owning property. just not a great deal of it. so what then, a wealth cap?
i actually tend to like a caste system just thematically
personal property is stuff like bed, house, toothbrush, phone
private property is stuff like factories, roads, hospitals
well if everyone in the country accumulates 20,000 per year, and all the wealth was reset, if theres no wealth cap someone is going to still borrow money and well have the same system over again
so its pointless to say "the worker maintains his own labor" or somesuch.
here's an idea
if you use something, then people agree that you own it
you live in the apartment, so you own it instead of some landlord
you work with the machinery, so you own it and not a boss
you own your labor and all it creates
if you accumulate a lot of wealth, then it's because you worked hard and benefitted from your own labor
that right there would be the ideal
*hoofpalm* but... the obvious thing is that there is a limited number of those resources and more people that want them
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Working in factories is bad regardless what system
Real anprim moments
Well we could not work in factories instead make them automatic
>liking factories
>unironically being a class traitor
nice
i like the flag
this server is a shithole
peace
@Borzo nigger
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Which I’ve recorded in my diar
I’ve got a secret thing I want to say
What’s worse than a conundrum?
Or a cheerleader threesome?
Not taking time to enjoy life each day?
hey why isn't there an Israel channel?
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