Message from @liquidnight
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this isn't how the world works man
`02:07] Ned Kelly: If they elect a fascist, what do you think will happen? ` NO !
To elect does not mean to govern !!
Why do you have a hard time to think outside the dominator matrix ??
`02:07] Ned Kelly: Hierarchy just creates the state ` -> wrong.
Hierarchy is a concept, the concept does not do anything.
The current corporate-state is a result of carelessness of the people. And of their **will** to initiate violence against their neighbours.
`02:08] Ned Kelly: Hierarchies will create violence ` --> no thats wrong.
Violent individuals create violence. Not hierarchy.
>hierarchy is a concept
no shit
`[02:08] Ned Kelly: and decay happens because of corruption ` --> corruption happens only ** inside a society-of-violence** !!
everything is a concept
Hierarchies are what encourage violence
again: hierarchy does not inherently mean: violence !
sorry pacifism can't work in your society, since people will always be trying to climb up the hierarchy you create through any means that they can find, violence being one of them
hierarchy can be build in a voluntary manner.
No it can't
I am not a pacifist. I do not talk of pacifism.
A society without violence is a society without a hierarchy and a state
Violent individuals are encouraged by a hierarchy to commit violence
`since people will always be trying to climb up the hierarchy ` --> wrong. Without violence, there is no hierarchy. correct ?
what
How do you stop violence
in your ideal world*
that's not simple
what if people lie
what if people get away with it because they are on top of the hierarchy that was created
`02:14] Ned Kelly: Violent individuals are encouraged by a hierarchy to commit violence ` --> if that were so, it were an argument against hierarchy. correct ?
it is an argument against them tho
look at medieval europe
I know its not simple, society has ridden itself deep into the shithole.
I do not tackle lying now. Be patient, prioritize.
First I tackle **violence**
there is no **get away** ! that's only happening under corporate-state psychopaths
medieval was already conquered - it was under violence !
ok you seem to have a medium intellect at all !
wtf are you talking about
Violence will forever exist
you can't get rid of it
Until literally everything is dead
Ok, you cannot get rid of it *at all* . But you can de-institutionalize it.
If we make a consens that we defend against violence, that's the start !
Yes, but you seem to be not realizing how the society you want promotes it
when we gather 1000 people who defend against violence, thats even better
1000 people with what?