because eventually that community that still values currency in any way will eventually find a way to make a hierarchy

with that so begins the cycle once more

`[02:04] Ned Kelly: leaders are what kill people ` ==> NO !!
to lead has 2 meanings:
* by violence
* by example

1.The killing aspect is only for the first type.
2. It is called to murder, not to kill

hierarchy is not bad - if they decide it voluntarily !

And when will it decay?

when will it corrupt?

because it has happened before in Soviet Union, look what happened there

If they elect a fascist, what do you think will happen?

Hierarchy just creates the state

`[02:05] Ned Kelly: with that so begins the cycle once more ` NO !!
did you consume right-wing propaganda ?

The cycle begins when people accept **initiating violence **
That's it what I want to get away from !

Wait: when will what decay or corrupt ??

Hierarchies will create violence

and decay happens because of corruption

this isn't how the world works man

`02:07] Ned Kelly: If they elect a fascist, what do you think will happen? ` NO !
To elect does not mean to govern !!

Why do you have a hard time to think outside the dominator matrix ??

`02:07] Ned Kelly: Hierarchy just creates the state ` -> wrong.

Hierarchy is a concept, the concept does not do anything.

The current corporate-state is a result of carelessness of the people. And of their **will** to initiate violence against their neighbours.

`02:08] Ned Kelly: Hierarchies will create violence ` --> no thats wrong.

Violent individuals create violence. Not hierarchy.

>hierarchy is a concept

no shit

`[02:08] Ned Kelly: and decay happens because of corruption ` --> corruption happens only ** inside a society-of-violence** !!

everything is a concept

Hierarchies are what encourage violence

again: hierarchy does not inherently mean: violence !

sorry pacifism can't work in your society, since people will always be trying to climb up the hierarchy you create through any means that they can find, violence being one of them

hierarchy can be build in a voluntary manner.

No it can't

I am not a pacifist. I do not talk of pacifism.

A society without violence is a society without a hierarchy and a state

Violent individuals are encouraged by a hierarchy to commit violence

`since people will always be trying to climb up the hierarchy ` --> wrong. Without violence, there is no hierarchy. correct ?

what

How do you stop violence

If someone violates me, I defend against him. simple

in your ideal world*

that's not simple

what if people lie

what if people get away with it because they are on top of the hierarchy that was created

`02:14] Ned Kelly: Violent individuals are encouraged by a hierarchy to commit violence ` --> if that were so, it were an argument against hierarchy. correct ?

it is an argument against them tho

look at medieval europe