Message from @liquidnight
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again: hierarchy does not inherently mean: violence !
sorry pacifism can't work in your society, since people will always be trying to climb up the hierarchy you create through any means that they can find, violence being one of them
hierarchy can be build in a voluntary manner.
No it can't
I am not a pacifist. I do not talk of pacifism.
A society without violence is a society without a hierarchy and a state
Violent individuals are encouraged by a hierarchy to commit violence
`since people will always be trying to climb up the hierarchy ` --> wrong. Without violence, there is no hierarchy. correct ?
what
How do you stop violence
If someone violates me, I defend against him. simple
in your ideal world*
that's not simple
what if people lie
what if people get away with it because they are on top of the hierarchy that was created
`02:14] Ned Kelly: Violent individuals are encouraged by a hierarchy to commit violence ` --> if that were so, it were an argument against hierarchy. correct ?
it is an argument against them tho
look at medieval europe
I know its not simple, society has ridden itself deep into the shithole.
I do not tackle lying now. Be patient, prioritize.
First I tackle **violence**
there is no **get away** ! that's only happening under corporate-state psychopaths
ok you seem to have a medium intellect at all !
wtf are you talking about
Violence will forever exist
you can't get rid of it
Until literally everything is dead
Ok, you cannot get rid of it *at all* . But you can de-institutionalize it.
If we make a consens that we defend against violence, that's the start !
Yes, but you seem to be not realizing how the society you want promotes it
when we gather 1000 people who defend against violence, thats even better
1000 people with what?
wait - no, it does not promote violence.
What do you have to stop the government or some Fascistic fuckers to come and harass y'all?
weapons ? and the will of the majority ??
i give you one set of knowledge to really understand this issue.
can I DM you
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go ahead
ok, that was MarkPassio : Natural Law.
the gist is: as long as society remains in the pattern of violence, they will create absolute chaos. This is fixed IN NATURE, no way out.
Only they need to modify the input parameter: no more violence.
