Message from @liquidnight
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communism wants that as well
leaders are what kill people
just - I have never seen this variant of communism. Still why name it communism, if the other community makes its own decisions ?
because eventually that community that still values currency in any way will eventually find a way to make a hierarchy
with that so begins the cycle once more
`[02:04] Ned Kelly: leaders are what kill people ` ==> NO !!
to lead has 2 meanings:
* by violence
* by example
1.The killing aspect is only for the first type.
2. It is called to murder, not to kill
hierarchy is not bad - if they decide it voluntarily !
And when will it decay?
when will it corrupt?
because it has happened before in Soviet Union, look what happened there
If they elect a fascist, what do you think will happen?
Hierarchy just creates the state
`[02:05] Ned Kelly: with that so begins the cycle once more ` NO !!
did you consume right-wing propaganda ?
The cycle begins when people accept **initiating violence **
That's it what I want to get away from !
Wait: when will what decay or corrupt ??
Hierarchies will create violence
and decay happens because of corruption
this isn't how the world works man
`02:07] Ned Kelly: If they elect a fascist, what do you think will happen? ` NO !
To elect does not mean to govern !!
Why do you have a hard time to think outside the dominator matrix ??
`02:07] Ned Kelly: Hierarchy just creates the state ` -> wrong.
Hierarchy is a concept, the concept does not do anything.
The current corporate-state is a result of carelessness of the people. And of their **will** to initiate violence against their neighbours.
`02:08] Ned Kelly: Hierarchies will create violence ` --> no thats wrong.
>hierarchy is a concept
no shit
`[02:08] Ned Kelly: and decay happens because of corruption ` --> corruption happens only ** inside a society-of-violence** !!
everything is a concept
Hierarchies are what encourage violence
again: hierarchy does not inherently mean: violence !
sorry pacifism can't work in your society, since people will always be trying to climb up the hierarchy you create through any means that they can find, violence being one of them
hierarchy can be build in a voluntary manner.
No it can't
I am not a pacifist. I do not talk of pacifism.
A society without violence is a society without a hierarchy and a state
Violent individuals are encouraged by a hierarchy to commit violence
`since people will always be trying to climb up the hierarchy ` --> wrong. Without violence, there is no hierarchy. correct ?
what
How do you stop violence
If someone violates me, I defend against him. simple
in your ideal world*
that's not simple
what if people lie
what if people get away with it because they are on top of the hierarchy that was created