Message from @NSG1488

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2019-05-30 16:49:54 UTC  

It is actually. How can we get equality if we don't let people to express their opinion regarding some issues?

2019-05-30 16:50:23 UTC  

equality isnt good idk why youd strive for it

2019-05-30 16:51:17 UTC  

I am not striving for absolute equality, however, Capitalism has turned people weak because of automation.

2019-05-30 16:51:46 UTC  

i dont even disagree im just not sure how youd conclude that equality is a good thing from that

2019-05-30 16:51:47 UTC  

We produce more than we need, which lead Marx to a point of "redistributing the wealth"

2019-05-30 16:52:21 UTC  

@Blueroad You should read Marx's work regarding Capitalism and Das Kapital

2019-05-30 16:52:38 UTC  

i know ltv lol

2019-05-30 16:52:58 UTC  

i dont see how ltv makes any case for equality

2019-05-30 16:53:20 UTC  

its just an account for phenomenon in capitalism

2019-05-30 16:55:35 UTC  

The thing is that the meme "absolute equality" came from a Marx's vision of a society where wealth is distributed amongst population. He actually thought of this as both good and bad idea, since people, even when they would get the goods, would become more weak than they are right now.

2019-05-30 16:56:32 UTC  

However, Capitalism would inevitably lead to that, since now more and more people are working "bullshit" jobs.

2019-05-30 16:56:33 UTC  

i never said anything about absolute equality im just trying to understand why equality is desirable

2019-05-30 16:58:44 UTC  

communist scum!

2019-05-30 16:58:44 UTC  

Equality matters at this very point because the Bourgeoisie (the rich class who doesn't work shit) is earning more than most workers. Bourgeoisie isn't necessarily "all rich people" since proletarian can be rich and poor. If communism is based on human nature as many marxist put it, why do we need a government to tell us what to do?

2019-05-30 16:58:45 UTC  

Semper Fi

2019-05-30 16:59:20 UTC  

you just said equality is good because society is unequal

2019-05-30 16:59:45 UTC  

There is healthy and unhealthy inequality though

2019-05-30 17:00:19 UTC  

thats not answering the question

2019-05-30 17:00:33 UTC  

It does, let me explain.

2019-05-30 17:00:33 UTC  

the question was why is equality desirable

2019-05-30 17:01:17 UTC  

Because Bourgeois is exploiting you, and they do not work for their earned money. They just own you, like a slave, except they can fire you and leave you with no job.

2019-05-30 17:01:38 UTC  

The only inequality that must exists is within the workers ability and need.

2019-05-30 17:02:12 UTC  

yeah thats just begging the question, dude

2019-05-30 17:02:13 UTC  

If the worker is fired it may very well be due to the competence of the worker not being fitting to the job

2019-05-30 17:02:49 UTC  

your saying equality is good because its good, you use a negative example(inequality)but thats really what it says

2019-05-30 17:04:01 UTC  

But I never said that absolute equality is good, I an saying here that unjustified inequality must be abolished, since Capitalism is very toxic and adaptable. Here, let me give you a question

2019-05-30 17:04:12 UTC  

Why do you think music today is bad?

2019-05-30 17:04:15 UTC  

i never mentioned absolute equality

2019-05-30 17:04:26 UTC  

i think music today is good

2019-05-30 17:04:54 UTC  

Its not, when something is mass produced, it is inevitable to lose quality. Just like with money.

2019-05-30 17:05:07 UTC  

thats your opinion

2019-05-30 17:05:48 UTC  

Its not really, it does hold a truth, unless you are degenerate who listens to trap everyday.

2019-05-30 17:06:02 UTC  

Do tell me why people think classical music is better than most modern shit?

2019-05-30 17:06:25 UTC  

Its simple, that music was created under no economic influence.

2019-05-30 17:07:01 UTC  

Capitalism creates Alienation from their Labour, the other workers etc

2019-05-30 17:07:31 UTC  

i dont care what other people think. i think things are only valuable in light of some subjectively held criteria so this means nothing to me

2019-05-30 17:07:51 UTC  

im just waiting for a reason to think equality is good

2019-05-30 17:08:45 UTC  

Freedom gives you alot of equal opportunities, and again, you imply that I want absolute equality, and your only argument is "lol no mentioning of that shit"

2019-05-30 17:09:10 UTC  

try to read between the lines

2019-05-30 17:09:11 UTC  

yeah, youre injecting absolute equality into my questioning when its not relevant at all

2019-05-30 17:09:12 UTC  

Equality is good because without it there’s nothing preventing you from getting the same fate that you supposedly don’t care other people getting