Message from @windmill man
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Its a future that is not guaranteed
But a state of affairs that ought to be achieved
How are you planning to eliminate scarcity
Automation obviously
You're gonna reach a point where nature cannot keep up with demand
Like there are limits on how much you can produce
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Nature will be preserved with technology, also we can produce all the pollution related stuff on the Moon or something
Technology would be advanced enough
What’s the topic
I’m assuming post scarcity?
Right now, yes
How are you planning to make the technology advanced enough??
Research, how else?
Alright, what kind of research?
Technology will always advance as long as human society still exists
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Yeah, but not magically
It will be done
Again, how?
hmmm idk how is research usually done
We can wish for something, but it's no guarantee that it will happen
by scientists maybe?
Alright, why didn't they invent what you want yet?
We don’t need to be engineers to argue that post scarcity is possible. Please explain why this production would be impossible
Planned obsolecence and we are not quite there yet
You also may not know that socialists believe in production for use, not exchange. It will be much easier to accomplish when resources aren’t being directed to useless trinkets
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You yourself said society should just have mutual aid
Post-scarcity is impossible because nature does not keep up with humans. The amount of humans increases, but the amount of nature doesn't and at a point you are not gonna have enough nature to create food with to feed all humans
nature isn’t static
More food can be grown and animals reproduce
You are implying we will be limited to Earth for resources to sustain post scarcity.
yeah I am
And once nuclear fusion is possible we can make elements ourselves
you can artificially increase the populations of both, as we’ve learned through our usage of agriculture for thousands of years
Alright, how are you planning on increasing both's population?
You can also adopt more efficient ways to farm, vertical farming for one
I’m not a farmer. If you want to learn how they work, read about it
Also increasing the population of livestock may not be necessary once growing meat becomes more viable