Message from @windmill man

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2019-06-26 15:55:23 UTC  

Its a future that is not guaranteed

2019-06-26 15:55:37 UTC  

But a state of affairs that ought to be achieved

2019-06-26 15:55:54 UTC  

How are you planning to eliminate scarcity

2019-06-26 15:56:13 UTC  

Automation obviously

2019-06-26 15:56:35 UTC  

You're gonna reach a point where nature cannot keep up with demand

2019-06-26 15:56:51 UTC  

Like there are limits on how much you can produce

2019-06-26 15:56:55 UTC  

^

2019-06-26 15:57:23 UTC  

Nature will be preserved with technology, also we can produce all the pollution related stuff on the Moon or something

2019-06-26 15:57:36 UTC  

Technology would be advanced enough

2019-06-26 15:57:43 UTC  

What’s the topic

2019-06-26 15:57:51 UTC  

I’m assuming post scarcity?

2019-06-26 15:58:06 UTC  

Right now, yes

2019-06-26 15:58:16 UTC  

How are you planning to make the technology advanced enough??

2019-06-26 15:58:28 UTC  

Research, how else?

2019-06-26 15:58:40 UTC  

Alright, what kind of research?

2019-06-26 15:58:48 UTC  

Technology will always advance as long as human society still exists

2019-06-26 15:58:54 UTC  

^

2019-06-26 15:59:03 UTC  

Yeah, but not magically

2019-06-26 15:59:10 UTC  

It will be done

2019-06-26 15:59:16 UTC  

Again, how?

2019-06-26 15:59:28 UTC  

We are limited by the laws of nature

2019-06-26 15:59:37 UTC  

hmmm idk how is research usually done

2019-06-26 15:59:43 UTC  

We can wish for something, but it's no guarantee that it will happen

2019-06-26 15:59:46 UTC  

by scientists maybe?

2019-06-26 16:00:00 UTC  

Alright, why didn't they invent what you want yet?

2019-06-26 16:00:19 UTC  

We don’t need to be engineers to argue that post scarcity is possible. Please explain why this production would be impossible

2019-06-26 16:00:27 UTC  

Planned obsolecence and we are not quite there yet

2019-06-26 16:01:25 UTC  

You also may not know that socialists believe in production for use, not exchange. It will be much easier to accomplish when resources aren’t being directed to useless trinkets

2019-06-26 16:01:44 UTC  

^

2019-06-26 16:02:24 UTC  

You yourself said society should just have mutual aid

2019-06-26 16:03:28 UTC  

Post-scarcity is impossible because nature does not keep up with humans. The amount of humans increases, but the amount of nature doesn't and at a point you are not gonna have enough nature to create food with to feed all humans

2019-06-26 16:03:46 UTC  

nature isn’t static

2019-06-26 16:04:06 UTC  

More food can be grown and animals reproduce

2019-06-26 16:04:26 UTC  

You are implying we will be limited to Earth for resources to sustain post scarcity.

2019-06-26 16:04:33 UTC  

yeah I am

2019-06-26 16:04:53 UTC  

And once nuclear fusion is possible we can make elements ourselves

2019-06-26 16:04:58 UTC  

you can artificially increase the populations of both, as we’ve learned through our usage of agriculture for thousands of years

2019-06-26 16:05:28 UTC  

Alright, how are you planning on increasing both's population?

2019-06-26 16:05:32 UTC  

You can also adopt more efficient ways to farm, vertical farming for one

2019-06-26 16:06:52 UTC  

I’m not a farmer. If you want to learn how they work, read about it

2019-06-26 16:07:08 UTC  

Also increasing the population of livestock may not be necessary once growing meat becomes more viable