Message from Tyler0317 in Fitness #martial-arts

2018-06-04 04:52:54 UTC  

I took a little bit of it years ago

2018-06-04 04:53:16 UTC  

It was just basic combatives though

2018-06-04 04:53:20 UTC  

Its jooish, bruh

2018-06-04 04:53:26 UTC  
2018-06-04 04:56:21 UTC  

@Tyler0317 It was officially "created" by an Israeli, yeah, but it's also practical and largely based on boxing and wrestling (which are actual European martial arts)

2018-06-04 04:56:42 UTC  

I try to remove myself from the context haha

2018-06-04 04:57:27 UTC  

I also have a deeper intellectual criticism of Krav, but i'm in bed atm.

2018-06-04 04:57:48 UTC  

I'll walk thru the idea tomorrow

2018-06-04 04:58:14 UTC  

sure, goodnight

2018-06-04 09:56:42 UTC  

they teach it up at my gym. It looks pretty brutal. My only practical problem with it is that you can't play full contact with it

2018-06-05 03:51:15 UTC  

(With keeping server rules in mind) I think that ... we forget how brutal we need to be or not be In a confrontation....If the brutality of Krav Maga is needed in a given situation then I’m not using extremities to inflict said brutality.... I’m going to my “toolbox” that I’ve brought with me to the dance. If by some chance I don’t have said tools and I only have my extremities... mma works. I studied Krav ... “no rules mma” .... ya know ... fighting

2018-06-05 03:54:24 UTC  

My critisicm of Krav is:
1- You cannot spar
As eye gouges and kicks to the groin are unpracticable with peers
2-There is no competitive opportunity. No Krav tournaments that I am aware of
3-It's ✡ ish

2018-06-05 03:54:55 UTC  


2018-06-05 10:25:15 UTC  

I'm too squeamish to go around jamming my thumbs into people's eyeballs as a general matter

2018-06-05 21:21:46 UTC  

@Tyler0317 All fair points

2018-06-05 21:22:33 UTC  

my instructor is pretty cool, and shows me a lot of techniques from true European wrestling

2018-06-06 06:12:04 UTC  

If it doesn’t involve lemon scented oil and wrastlin it ain’t worth the tits on a 🐗 boar.

2018-06-07 03:35:28 UTC  

@Aleis⊕ccidentalis Have you heard of catch wrestling?

Pardon me for my soapbox, catch wrestling has been an interest of mine for the past 18 months or so.

2018-06-07 03:40:57 UTC  

@Tyler0317 I haven't ever heard of that. Do you have any good links that explain what it is? Or can you?

2018-06-07 03:51:31 UTC  

My apologies to the other observers for my tangent.

When the "modern" olympics resumed in 1896, the sports were recomposed. Wrestling by historic rules was won by submission OR by pin.

Modern wrestling ruleset was made more sporting, with victories by pin or by points.

Once upon a time, what is now called Catch Wrestling(catch meaning 'Submission' in English of the time) was normal wrestling. Teddy Roosevelt, and Brigham Young were known to be enthusiastic Catch Wrestlers in their time.

Have you heard of Crying "uncle"? This was the way one verbally submitted in wrestling. Much like the now ubiquitous tapout of modern BJJ.

2018-06-07 03:53:55 UTC  

Catch Wrestlers became famous at carnivals in the early 1900s, and several of them branched out into Pro Wrestling, Promoters learned the value of having choregraphed matches, and the PRO Wrestling(Hulk Hogan) of our era descends from this alteration of the art of wrestling.

2018-06-07 03:56:59 UTC  

Ironically, Several wrestlers of the early 1900's ended up in Japan, where fight tournaments were a big ticket. Men like Karl Gotch made a name for themselves beating Japs, leading to European wrestling becoming a widely valued martial art in Japan. Called Shoot Wrestling, shoot being slang for "real" as opposed to fake pro wrestling.

2018-06-07 04:00:42 UTC  

The modern MMA promotion Shooto comes from "Shoot wrestling" in Japan.

Just like how foreign and exotic influences became fashionable in America(Karate, Tae Kwon Do,, BJJ), European wresting became fashionable in Japan, Kazushi Sakuraba being a notable descendant of Catch Wresting, and defeating 4 different members of the famous Gracie BJJ family.

2018-06-07 04:05:14 UTC  

--- My overall point being, Europe had it's own martial art, Catch Wrestling, which is of equal or greater standing to the more popular grappling arts of today, BJJ/Judo. We ought to be proud of it, and I hope that we are able to perpetuate our own martial art into the future, rather than BJJ.

Tangent complete. Thank you for your patience.

Some links to follow.@Aleis⊕ccidentalis

2018-06-08 14:27:49 UTC  

Although I have never studied it I have been fasciated by catch wrestling myself because of the same reasons you listed @Tyler0317 as well as because of my fandom of pro wrestling as a kid and the cross over that used to exist.

2018-06-08 20:49:40 UTC  

@Tyler0317 I may have already said this but I think BJJ came more from catch wrestling styles in vale tudo than it did from tradionall JJ

2018-06-09 02:06:01 UTC  

@Deleted User mma/vale tudo has certainly had a positive effect on bjj. Keeping it rooted in practicality and effectiveness.

BJJ never had a weird kung fu death touch phase.

2018-06-09 16:19:12 UTC  

@Tyler0317 hey brother ... i’ve been training BJJ for over 10 years… And I really enjoyed the above comments you made about how catch wrestling is “our European martial art.” I have never thought of it that way. I’ve been training shoot- boxing for eight years solid (simultaneously) and it’s very similar to what you are describing but again I must admit that the ethnic component (tradition) was lost on me until now. Good looking out. I look forward to more passionate posts about this.

2018-06-09 20:04:53 UTC  

@Punisher 👍🏼

2018-06-09 20:10:04 UTC  

I need to take my own advice. Catch wrestling doesn't exist in my state, which I suppose is an opportunity for someone like me to make it happen.

I competed in amateur MMA for a few years, but can't really claim to be an actual martial artist.
The specialized skillset, passing down the tradition and philosophies really appeals to me.

That is something BJJ does way better than western martial arts.

2018-06-09 23:34:35 UTC  

Carlos and Helio were White.

2018-06-09 23:35:36 UTC  

Helio also sounds like a traditionalist or fascist here.

2018-06-09 23:36:21 UTC  

"Nature did not create men and women by mistake, but for each one to do his or her part. The man takes care of the woman and the woman takes care of the children, who will be the men of tomorrow."

2018-06-11 13:57:04 UTC  

How do you guys do your solo martial arts practice? Where do you put it in your workout routine?

2018-06-11 19:07:53 UTC  

@Gaius Mucius Scaevola I do bag drills after my workout.

I've found that cardio after the workout reduces the DOMS(muscle soreness) the following day.

2018-06-11 20:18:55 UTC  

@Tyler0317 That's some great history. I'd like to learn it myself or teach it to my kids. It's disappointing that many Whites don't realize that we have our own history of martial arts, and they think it is something unique to only Asian countries.