Message from @John O -
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How can you advance a relationship if marraige is not possible at the moment?
Unfortunately getting married is not as easy as it used to be
@John O - Just because something is the norm does not make it moral.
@SamanthaM that's not the point I was making. I was making the point that in order to find out if someone is really who they say they are, you have to spend a majority of your free time with them, and that is really only possible if you live together
And with the high divorce rate it is good to be 100% sure you can sustain a marraige.
I have heard people say living together makes you more likely to break up, but I think those people went in with the wrong intentions
For example you don't move in together to only save money
@John O - That I'd agree with. Everything is fine up to the point of cohabitation.
That's what I'm saying, though. I, and many other young people like me spend well beyond 40 hours at work every week. I don't have time every day to spend with people who don't live in my house. Before I marry a woman, I want a trial period of at least a year under the same roof so that I can get to know them as well as possible. Spending two or three days together a week isn't nearly enough.
Please excuse the typos, I'm using voice to text
I'm gonna have to agree with John on this one
I don't see how it's immoral per say
I absolutely see how it's immoral, however, it's an unfortunate reality of the times we live in
Yeah the cost of a wedding and then buying a house combined is insane
Huh?
Weddings don't have to be expensive. Lots of fantastic ways to save.
At least where I live if you want a good wedding its probably at least 15k, then if you want a house in a good town/neighborhood its at least 300k
My parents got married in a park for next to nothing
yeah how do we avoid the wedding ((()))
Everyone has their own preference, but I would like my friends and family to be there.
@SamanthaM again, I just want to stress that you are correct, cohabitating is immoral, I just don't see a way around it
Major cost is the reception. Holding it at someone's home is a great way to save on that expense.
Pretty sure the wedding is expensive as *you* make it
unless you need a church or what not for religious stuffs
@John O - It's tough. Sin in the modern world is almost unavoidable.
Im glad ive found people who agree that living together isnt wholesome
redpill me on how it's a sin
I need to start going to Church again
@Deleted User because it leads to premarital sex
Some couples who live together are basically married but without the formality
*most
eh, I guess I can see that
Putting yourself in situations where someone you love is sleeping right next to you = premarital sex
Which is avoidable
I don't know, man, if I'm living with a girl, I'm not going to pull the fifties married couple different bed shit
that was only in movies
if youre married, I think youre allowed to
I know. I was just pointing out an example
Ignoring the religious aspect, this article points out some detrimental statistics concerning cohabitation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mylordandmyblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/seven-reasons-why-living-together-before-marriage-is-not-a-good-idea/amp/
ok thanks
@SamanthaM All of the things he mentions are correlations but I see no proof that living together causes those problems. People who live together do so for many reasons. Some have a more liberal attitude regarding relationships and are therefore more likely to divorce. But that doesn't mean living together causes divorce. Or any of the other problems like violence or alcohol problems.