Message from @Jenjen

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2021-02-03 03:36:13 UTC  

Again I’ve never pretended to entertain your notions

2021-02-03 03:36:29 UTC  

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2021-02-03 03:37:25 UTC  

Why would I reword it. In the first 30 seconds of the video you sent you showed that atheism bears the burden of proof. It was atheists who first challenged the common belief so it is they that must provide irrefutable evidence for their views

2021-02-03 03:37:55 UTC  

Why would atheist's have to follow the burden of proof?

2021-02-03 03:38:59 UTC  

But there is no reason that the burden of proof applies. There's nothing to prove.

2021-02-03 03:39:11 UTC  

but your making a positive argument in favor of your negative

2021-02-03 03:39:24 UTC  

Because by default the state of people is to believe in a god or in God. If that is the default position then anything other than the default must provide irrefutable evidence for their view and so much of it that they over whelm the default to become the new default

2021-02-03 03:39:47 UTC  

but you then claim evolution

2021-02-03 03:39:49 UTC  

You say evolution exists

2021-02-03 03:39:54 UTC  

you must prove evolution

2021-02-03 03:40:04 UTC  

Ok and since everyone here believes that He does, the burden of proof is on you to irrefutably prove your point

2021-02-03 03:40:12 UTC  

that too

2021-02-03 03:41:33 UTC  

im willing to engage

2021-02-03 03:41:45 UTC  

we have engaged you... i've been here for a log time being berated for not proving that god exists XD

2021-02-03 03:41:59 UTC  

Tu quoque

2021-02-03 03:42:35 UTC  

thank you 😃

2021-02-03 03:42:50 UTC  

cool thanks i'd love to continue our conversation

2021-02-03 03:43:25 UTC  

You keep deflecting when we engage you.

2021-02-03 03:43:47 UTC  

definitely interested

2021-02-03 03:44:21 UTC  

You’ve ignored me

2021-02-03 03:44:27 UTC  

Sad

2021-02-03 03:44:43 UTC  

I posted some videos and articles

2021-02-03 03:45:10 UTC  

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2021-02-03 03:45:32 UTC  

I'll leave yall with this, this is my bottom line. I cant prove that God exists, but i like what 1st Peter 1 says. "Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls." this is why we all believe what we do here.

2021-02-03 03:45:34 UTC  

There are a decent amount of times where it seems as though you became uncomfortable with a situation or displeased with it and so tried to deflect a criticism of your view onto the person making a criticism

2021-02-03 03:45:40 UTC  

That’s also a logical fallacy

2021-02-03 03:46:13 UTC  

Although if I’m being honest I don’t expect you to change your mind and I don’t believe you expect me to change mine

2021-02-03 03:47:06 UTC  

I bid you all farewell for now and have a good night for those of you for whom it is night/evening

2021-02-03 03:47:15 UTC  

Yes same God Bless

2021-02-03 03:47:43 UTC  

Good night y’all

2021-02-03 03:48:45 UTC  

God Bless you guys have a good night hopefully we can continue this conversation tomorrow

2021-02-03 04:05:08 UTC  

Really, scientist are content? The whole evolution theory stand on the first cells. If they can't prove it the evolution theory is dead.

2021-02-03 04:08:14 UTC  

I have never met any scientist that is content with the fact that there are many holes in the evolution theory.

2021-02-03 04:09:32 UTC  

Darwin was Catholic. The holes of evolution can be filled by adding God to the equation. But even then, Darwin rejected his own theory because it went against his beliefs. He never really intended for it to be something that was researched

2021-02-03 04:11:07 UTC  

I mean everything Darwin believed in also was disproved so idk

2021-02-03 04:14:28 UTC  

Well, natural selection and survival of the fittest are pretty accurate. But those are more of observations than theories.

2021-02-03 04:15:15 UTC  

Environment is also a factor

2021-02-03 05:29:49 UTC  

Just sending your child to Catholic school isn't enough; bring them to mass, teach them to be with God.

2021-02-03 05:30:02 UTC  

I came very late to this, but I was at work for much of it. Let me first say that I am a staunch Christian so my points will admittedly be of a Christian bias. Before I begin in depth, let me follow a short philosophical tangent if you so permit. Why wouldn't you want God to exist? Why wouldn't anyone? He sent His Son to die for us so that we could live. Suppose we were arrested for vandalism, or any other crime you can think of, and we had a real hard nosed jury. They sentenced us to death despite it typically not being an excessive punishment. The judgement gets sustained. However, the judge says that he will send his son to the gallows in your stead and all you have to do is believe that he will... and did. There's an analogy to Christianity, and even a light one as there are many sins that aren't crimes by the law we have written. Peak, you have spoken about the burden of proof. Can either side provide it to substantiate their claim well enough to persuade the other side of the aisle? Both sides will see perceived holes in the other that seemingly sink the ship yet both are still afloat. So even while we have some of the burden on us, there's still a heaping bit on you (forgive my Southern mannerisms and speech patterns but I'm from the Deep South).  I'm not the best scientist, I'm a historian, so I will likely misstate something but bear with me. To begin with, let's look at the beginning.

2021-02-03 05:30:25 UTC  

(More coming by the way. A link will end it from me.)