im willing to engage

we have engaged you... i've been here for a log time being berated for not proving that god exists XD

Tu quoque

thank you 😃

cool thanks i'd love to continue our conversation

You keep deflecting when we engage you.

definitely interested

You’ve ignored me

Sad

I posted some videos and articles

I'll leave yall with this, this is my bottom line. I cant prove that God exists, but i like what 1st Peter 1 says. "Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls." this is why we all believe what we do here.

There are a decent amount of times where it seems as though you became uncomfortable with a situation or displeased with it and so tried to deflect a criticism of your view onto the person making a criticism

That’s also a logical fallacy

Although if I’m being honest I don’t expect you to change your mind and I don’t believe you expect me to change mine

I bid you all farewell for now and have a good night for those of you for whom it is night/evening

Yes same God Bless

Good night y’all

God Bless you guys have a good night hopefully we can continue this conversation tomorrow

Really, scientist are content? The whole evolution theory stand on the first cells. If they can't prove it the evolution theory is dead.

I have never met any scientist that is content with the fact that there are many holes in the evolution theory.

Darwin was Catholic. The holes of evolution can be filled by adding God to the equation. But even then, Darwin rejected his own theory because it went against his beliefs. He never really intended for it to be something that was researched

I mean everything Darwin believed in also was disproved so idk

Well, natural selection and survival of the fittest are pretty accurate. But those are more of observations than theories.

Environment is also a factor

Just sending your child to Catholic school isn't enough; bring them to mass, teach them to be with God.

I came very late to this, but I was at work for much of it. Let me first say that I am a staunch Christian so my points will admittedly be of a Christian bias. Before I begin in depth, let me follow a short philosophical tangent if you so permit. Why wouldn't you want God to exist? Why wouldn't anyone? He sent His Son to die for us so that we could live. Suppose we were arrested for vandalism, or any other crime you can think of, and we had a real hard nosed jury. They sentenced us to death despite it typically not being an excessive punishment. The judgement gets sustained. However, the judge says that he will send his son to the gallows in your stead and all you have to do is believe that he will... and did. There's an analogy to Christianity, and even a light one as there are many sins that aren't crimes by the law we have written. Peak, you have spoken about the burden of proof. Can either side provide it to substantiate their claim well enough to persuade the other side of the aisle? Both sides will see perceived holes in the other that seemingly sink the ship yet both are still afloat. So even while we have some of the burden on us, there's still a heaping bit on you (forgive my Southern mannerisms and speech patterns but I'm from the Deep South).  I'm not the best scientist, I'm a historian, so I will likely misstate something but bear with me. To begin with, let's look at the beginning.

(More coming by the way. A link will end it from me.)

I believe that God is the Creator of the universe. However, there are aspects of the big bang I admit are plausible and compatible with Christianity which plays into the time comment made by I believe Jesus Freak. But, speaking of time, what began time? What began space? What began matter? Logically all three have to come into existence at the same time as if you have time, what is happening with that time? What space is that time in? If you have space? What do you put in that space? When do you put something in that space? If you have matter, where do you put it? When do you place it? The Christian perspective is that God always was and is outside time, space, and matter. If you want me to argue how that is, I'll tell you now that I can't. That's something that must be taken on faith (in case I forget to place a story about faith here or a link to the video with that story, yell at me). God, then created all three and we see this in Genesis 1:1. "In the beginning [time], God created the heavens [space] and the Earth [matter]." This can be shown by reading that verse in my opinion as the logically explanation is He did it at once as the Bible doesn't say "and then" to show there was a progression or they were created at separate times. I won't get into the age argument as there are arguments for both sides I can see that supports Christianity, as aforementioned. As far as the big bang itself, the theory supposes the energy has always been there and just in a real tight space (refer above about space) and was dormant until it built up enough energy and expanded at the right time (see above about time). Now, energy is neither created nor destroyed. We agree that is science and pert well proven. Then how was the energy built up to power the big bang? How does that explain the theory of a still expanding universe?

The plethora of galaxies, planets (I'll want to comment on this later too, don't let me forget), and stars? What set off the big bang as all the energy was at rest and we know according to Sir Isaac Newton that objects at rest will stay at rest until an external force acts on it. What then is the external force? Well I assert God. You might ask me to prove that, and I'll point back to prior statements of mine. You might also ask me who created, for your sake and the sake of argument I'll use quotation marks, "God". Well, if He was created, He wouldn't be "God" and whoever created Him would be "God". That is a slippery slope as long as Pi. The Christian stance is that God has always been and always will be and was not created. That makes him, as many have stated throughout history, the "uncaused first cause" necessary for the big bang and arguably evolution, which I will presently dive into.

To preface evolution, let us divide it into macro and micro and define both beginning with micro. Micro evolution, or adaptations to be the definition, is extremely well proven and I do accept so I will not spend time on it. Macro evolution, or the change in kinds/life from non life, I disagree with. To answer your burden of proof argument before we begin, I believe here the burden of proof is in you primarily seeing as evolution on the whole is called the Theory of evolution. Emphasis on theory meaning it is yet to be conclusively proven. You'll respond by saying I can't prove God created it, touche to a point, but that connects to the story I want to tell later. I also refer to my earlier comments on the burden of proof. But for your burden, I want you to show me a change in kinds, not species, but kinds. For instance, I don't want a German Shepherd to a golden retriever, but a cow to a cat. I'll spare you the effort as you can't do it seeing there is no such example.

For the sake of argument, let's presume that man came from apes, which I disagree with, and the evidence is their similarities. Are the "parents" of mankind apes and bananas as half of the human chromosomes match the banana. Of course we didn't come from a banana and you would be hard-pressed to find someone who believes that. Going further, what "created" or "evolved into" the ape or the banana? Going back to the beginning of the theory, all there was in existence was elements. I presume we also all agree elements are lifeless. How then did lifeless elements give rise to life filled single celled organisms much less complex life forms and multi celled organisms?

First there was nothing, then it became everything?

The Christian answer is that God created life when He brought the necessary pieces together and breathed life into it for God is life. We further see this in Ezekiel 37. For the sake of space and time, I won't quote it here, but I highly recommend reading it. I use the King James Version if you want to follow along exactly how I'm reading and interpreting it. Thus I think I've answered everything discussed, or at least the major points of it, so for that story. For ease, I'll provide the link to the video. You may accept it, though I doubt it.

https://youtu.be/tb4QWfXUvWk

How can all come from nothing?

@Peak Centrism Whenever you are available, also feel free to dm me.

I didn't claim that Son Dank. When addressing that, it was under the comment, "for the sake of argument." You should know my beliefs by this point decently well.

No, I didn't mean to fit that into the context of what you were saying

just another rebuttal to his argument

Ah, ok.