Message from @grete
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of course its a tool
the actual reality of whats going on is not analysed by looking at morals
lmfao what
that is the dumbest shit ive ever heard
the US doesn't invade places because muh morals
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who said it did
they do because dumb idealist foreign policy
you are implying it
im not implying that at all lol
"democracy and freedom" is just the bullshit they sell people, which, unfortunately, they eat up and then wonder why our wars never bring those things
they do it because resources and money wtf lol
hes saying the moral beliefs of the people have a political effect and thus affect reality
how can you understand the undertakings of a culture without understanding the values for which it makes actions upon
they are a part of reality
no thats the long-term goal
because the people make it so
but they do it because they have a system built into their foreign policy which is just liberal idealism
"the people" do things based on a simple moral system
ideals have real world consequences but they often warp to the material struggle as well
whos denying this
ofc ideas aren't completely irrelevant, but material reasons are 99% of the time more important
there are probably some dumbasses that unironically think iraq was about democracy but with enough mental gymnastics you can make it appear so because you want that oil loot grab mindset
because the actions of the base are an aggregatw of all the individuals that dont have an in depth understanding of politics and do shit based on a moral system
oh my fucking god
it was about both
not in equal proportions i'd say
there's a reason we work with saudi arabia of course
argue this in vc
there was also the idea that "iraq had WMDs"
ill be one sec
im black
i dont think theres an argument
lol yeah
Lol
if it was about morals then why does AUS trade so much with china lmao
There's also the wilsonian idea of Collective security for much of these interventions
"No one can have weapons but us"
imperial elite 🥂