the world doesnt work in a linear fashion. globalist liberalism could probably *work* in the sense that it could sustain itself it would just be an undesirable existence

im back

even as a marxists, you don't tell most people "ackshually read capital economic determinism blah blah"

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reading is for ppl who can't figure shit out on their own

leftists are good at unpropaganda

in no way is this counter to any moral assertion

yes it is

they worked themselves into the decolonization pipeline, or were helped there by spooks, and now are distant retards completely detached from american needs

nope

morality is just tools people use to get what they want in the world

of course its a tool

the actual reality of whats going on is not analysed by looking at morals

lmfao what

that is the dumbest shit ive ever heard

the US doesn't invade places because muh morals

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who said it did

they do because dumb idealist foreign policy

you are implying it

im not implying that at all lol

"democracy and freedom" is just the bullshit they sell people, which, unfortunately, they eat up and then wonder why our wars never bring those things

they do it because resources and money wtf lol

hes saying the moral beliefs of the people have a political effect and thus affect reality

how can you understand the undertakings of a culture without understanding the values for which it makes actions upon

they are a part of reality

no thats the long-term goal

because the people make it so

but they do it because they have a system built into their foreign policy which is just liberal idealism

"the people" do things based on a simple moral system

ideals have real world consequences but they often warp to the material struggle as well

yeah

whos denying this

ofc ideas aren't completely irrelevant, but material reasons are 99% of the time more important

there are probably some dumbasses that unironically think iraq was about democracy but with enough mental gymnastics you can make it appear so because you want that oil loot grab mindset

because the actions of the base are an aggregatw of all the individuals that dont have an in depth understanding of politics and do shit based on a moral system

oh my fucking god

it was about both

not in equal proportions i'd say

there's a reason we work with saudi arabia of course

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