@Lion The center is usually like 5-10 meters tall. So this wouldn't work. However I'm sure it's possible to build it if you use a half circle/eclipse shape thing it would probably be achievable. Grant it you'd probably have to build downwards as well as upwards.

@SS-Harambe Yea excavating could get you extra space but Id rather just use the greenhouse for food production with out the extra costs of extra tall building over a deep pit. Really it comes down to whats appropriate for your area and getting your biofuel from palm trees that have to be babied is not cost effective in the least.

@Lion we could use dwarf olive trees for oil. the yield would be less than oil palms, but still usable.

Honestly though, canola or sunflowers are the only plants that would make sense for large scale cultivation.

@dsp fries it canola? oh you mean rapeseed....Why can't we call it rapeseed oil. LOL but no you will want perennial trees over annuals. Again olive trees have to be babied as they are not native and the food value is more then the biofuel returns as far as I would understand. A perfect solution exists for your problem keep researching.

@Lion bamboo to be gassifed and burned? It could also be burned for heat/steam.

...trees dude stick to trees. Bamboo has a shit ton of variety though I don't know of any fuel options for it. Coppiced and pollarding trees is good for fuel wood and gassification. Just need to get enough accarage into a multi year rotation that you are replenishing more then you are taking.

#repealthe21st

Give me one good reason why we shouldn't repeal the 21st amendment

(You can't)

Because we aren't prudes. Most of the group is okay with the occasional drink, just not alcoholism.

I was more looking for arguments on why it wouldn't be effective. In it's efficiency sure but also it's cutdown on degeneracy, drunk driving and sociopathy

If no one had alcohol, drunk driving, drunk interpersonal conflict and drunk promiscuity wouldn't occur

@Orchid what's the possibility of us all going dutch on a single giant piece of land?

and just splitting it up into even parcels?

well hmmm i dont like the idea of subdividing land and having individual ownership ...maybe as a first site but going forward that really wouldnt work...im not a communist but the land should be cheap enough that like you wouldnt mind not owning your own piece evenly divided like it would be basically paying admission instead of having sole control over your land ...fuk i sound like a commie i promise im not trying to

that sounds pretty communits lol. I have no interest in that kind of arrangment ^

well it might be a way for us to buy land in bulk, and then splitting it into lots

so we'd still have complete sole ownership of our own lots

we wouldn't be "sharing" the land

as for simply buying a large chunk of land and splitting it up, its certainly doable, but it depends on what you hope to accomplish with that strategy.

maybe have one area where we have a common park, etc.

i know its hard to describe, im just saying that there should be steward of the land where the vast majority of which will fall into

yeah it gets a little complicated

the strategy I like better is just going to a place that already has cheap land and decent infrastructure

why would that be beneficial to sole ownership?

and then encourage people to buy their own lots as time goes on

i dont see the purpose of running a community where everyone gets 10 acres instead of everyone getting 1 and basically sharing or using the 9 together

so we achieve a point of "saturation"

thats sounds like it would just create a lof of conflict

which is why it would be put into a trust of sorts with a steward of fiduciary duty

sounds like a terrible system with nothing to recommend it, private ownership has worked beautifully for Europeans for millenia

not saying its perfect but its better than subdividing large swaths of land into little pieces

@Orlunu well, it wasn't common for the average European to own land

why?

the king owned the land

@Marlow yes

and the peasants worked it

rented land is also privately owned

it could be like an HOA or covenant system

where we own the land, but we get together and set some standards and define use of common areas