@Orlunu a farm can exist a a family for hundreds of years without a clear beneficiary and its still technically shared or collectivized land to the family

yeah but there's always a sole owner, or it can be held in a trust

though I don't know a whole lot about the legal mumbo jumbo with that

missing some important word early on there, but family ownership and community collective ownership are very much the same thing

unless we're going to have a community patriarch in this model who makes the decisions for the "household"

so fi you cant portion off a majority of the ladn for uses like farming who will be able to farm

What?

it doesnt matter but if you do not use community funding for certain projects you will never be a community...i could jsut farm and sell it to china if it was up to me

but the community expects community treatment without the investment

none of what you're saying matches history

there have been plenty of non-communist communities

this is not a government with millions of people

again, non-sequitur

didn't say it was

i dont think you need any kind of a collective owndership to have a functioning community. There are otherways to ensure the strength of a community, such as normal personal relationships

yeah it doesn't need to be codified into rule

because small communities already operate along strong communal ties

they're functionally socialst, without being explicitly politically socialist

ehh are they?

in what way?

yeah if your neighbor needs help raising a barn

@Orchid if you can interpret charity as "socialism"

you're going to help him

without asking for compensation

it's not even charity

it's just being neighborly

they also started when land could be bought for 5 bucks an acre...if i could buy land for that it wouldnt be a problem with needing to essentially crowdfund

ah alright

charity is a more accurate term for it than socialism

but we get what we mean

so it doesn't matter

if your friend has a sick kid and is struggling to pay for treatment, you're probably going to pitch in a few hundred, or even thousand

but charity has this connotation of helping "the lesser"

mmmh

in this case I wouldn't be giving my bro charity

yeah, kinda does

yeah thats the kind of community I can get behind

even if it's not strictly in the definitions

I would be just being a bro... the same bro he would be to me if I needed such help

and it's something that comes naturally to us as European homonids

yeah, set up the right context and agree to keep out harmful influences and it'll go fine