If they refuse to immunise the child and the child then receives measles which is entirely preventable for the majority of the populous then the care taker has failed in their job

@hootersforshooters if you are comparing the possible risks of vaccines to the harm they prevent you need to do some fact checking

https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

The rewards completely outweigh the risks

That is why they exist

Even if it did cause autism, you’re better off being vaccinated

More people have died or been harmed this century in the US by the measles vaccine than by contracting measles. 149 times greater. So, yes....there is a greater chance of killing you child through the vaccine than there is from contracting the disease. So, I would say that giving the measles vaccine is more harmful than the disease.

Yes because measles had been practically eradicated due to vaccines

@Say "Even if it did cause autism, you’re better off being vaccinated"
This is what psychopaths say.

“There are lies, darn lies, a d statistics “

No it’s not. It’s what reasonable people say

@Say no statistics. Evidence.

1 in 110 kids get autism

Their is nothing wrong with autism

Supposedly because of vaccines

Influenza mortality in in the 30s was 40%

I have aspergers and 146 iq I'm also not gonna die of measles

Ummmmm.....no.......reasonable people are not morally relativistic. @Say

Im not a mathematician or anything, but 1/110 is less than 40%

Also mmr does not cause autism so yh

@hootersforshooters do u live in Europe or america or another contjnent

I don't have Aspergers and I have a high IQ (whatever that means) and I won't die of measles, either. Ceteris Parabus......sorry about your luck @Mattie

A major cause for rises in autism diagnoses is the updating of the DSM and awareness going up

@Say
1 in 30

But, whose counting? Since it has nothing to do with the subject matter.

It absolutely has to do with the subject matter

The subject matter is......harm and the right to harm.....aka coercion. So, if you want to stray away from that, well, that won't help anyone.

If this is a cost/reward exchange (which it isnt) then you have a better chance if dying by not being vaccinated then getting autism from vaccines

https://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo

@Say so, moral relativism.....

Statistics are all important and comparing all the recorded statistics not just cherry picking ones that support your current point is the basis of a coherant argument in any debate regarding science

You think you are allowed a to force people to do things that may harm them, right?

What does moral relativism have anything to do with this

That's because the chance of getting autism from vaccines is zero

@Mattie you enjoy all the statistics you want. The subject matter is harm, coercion.....like you said...informed consent.

Yes. People should run the **incredibly** low chance of being harmed from a vaccine to avoid the very real chance of death that comes from not being vaccinated

@Say you think you're allowed to harm people .

Yes but statistics are still a very important point

That you're allowed to coerce people.

You may have to cause someone pain to fix a broken bone, but in the end, you won’t die from that broken bone

@Mattie not to this subject matter.