Message from @EnderOctanus

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2019-06-27 06:24:43 UTC  

The key is to look at the individual candidates. Because they can be vastly different like tradcon vs libertarian in Republicans or demsoc and Corp dem I democrats

2019-06-27 06:24:44 UTC  

Wouldn’t a 2 party system also have a coalition prior to elections?

2019-06-27 06:26:07 UTC  

Not necessarily. You can have a pure 2 party system. But the US isnt technically that.litterally the only difference between US and UK is what side of the election the coalitions form

2019-06-27 06:26:20 UTC  

And in regards to that, the reason my question came up is that all of the candidates tonight seemed exactly the same if I’m being honest

2019-06-27 06:26:27 UTC  

They all are just with the party line

2019-06-27 06:26:40 UTC  

And even then it is dicey. If the wrong candidate is chosen parts of the coallition break off. See when Bernie lost.

2019-06-27 06:28:23 UTC  

But ultimately there are two parties that support what the majority of the party supports

2019-06-27 06:28:27 UTC  

Most of today's were corpdems. The next one will have some flavor. But dems have been strange in that regardless of personal views the DNC (until recently) have been able to reign in dems to vote Corp dem. Republicans you see more conflict but they are many years into division in the party

2019-06-27 06:28:55 UTC  

But dems are seeing more of the conflict with the outspoken demsoc like AOC.

2019-06-27 06:29:27 UTC  

They all were for Medicare for all and most didn’t protest with open borders

2019-06-27 06:29:51 UTC  

That seems very socialist to me, or at least opposite of pro corporate

2019-06-27 06:30:05 UTC  

Not true, there were two moderates

2019-06-27 06:30:19 UTC  

In regards to what?

2019-06-27 06:30:31 UTC  

I forgot their names but one pushed for privatization

2019-06-27 06:30:37 UTC  

Cause that's the corpdem conceded so Medicare for all years ago to placate demsocs.

As for open borders. Cheap labor is very pro corp

2019-06-27 06:30:55 UTC  

Huh, I didn’t think of it that way

2019-06-27 06:31:01 UTC  

Makes sense now that I think about it

2019-06-27 06:31:08 UTC  

He opposed cutting private insurance

2019-06-27 06:31:30 UTC  

Yea Delaney wanted privatization and an option for free Medicare for all

2019-06-27 06:31:38 UTC  

But that’s still Medicare for all

2019-06-27 06:31:54 UTC  

Half of Medicare is paid for through a private insurance route option or something.

2019-06-27 06:32:07 UTC  

@EnderOctanus tbh that was the middle ground. The more dem soc are all med for all. The Corp dems have adopted a middle ground of "med and private"

2019-06-27 06:32:27 UTC  

So where would a conservative Democrat fall?

2019-06-27 06:32:32 UTC  

Corp dem?

2019-06-27 06:32:40 UTC  

Or just somewhere else?

2019-06-27 06:32:49 UTC  

@EnderOctanus no. There is an option for med advantage which is a private alternative but you pay the difference, and medigap which is all paid by the buyer

2019-06-27 06:33:01 UTC  

Closer to Tulsi

2019-06-27 06:33:11 UTC  

@Murrax9 depends on what status quo they are protecting.

2019-06-27 06:33:42 UTC  

But yea mostly Corp dem to Classical Liberal (though most of them have been pushed out)

2019-06-27 06:33:49 UTC  

They would be classical liberals.

2019-06-27 06:34:07 UTC  

Tulsi isnt classic lib

2019-06-27 06:34:15 UTC  

She is just an anti war corp dem

2019-06-27 06:34:19 UTC  

Who have joined the Republicans mostly

2019-06-27 06:34:23 UTC  

Which is rare but exists

2019-06-27 06:34:42 UTC  

Yeah that’s about where I fall. But I don’t agree with anyone on the democrats. Joe Manchin is the only guy I remotely agree with on that side

2019-06-27 06:34:51 UTC  

No I'm saying she's closest they showed to conservative

2019-06-27 06:35:26 UTC  

Do you think most people mean “someone who protects the status quo” when they say conservative?

2019-06-27 06:35:32 UTC  

Eh maybe on topics discussed, but even that she is....swishy washy. Since iirc she is pro amnesty.

2019-06-27 06:35:43 UTC  

@Murrax9 outside of the US yes

2019-06-27 06:35:51 UTC  

I mean inside the US

2019-06-27 06:35:54 UTC  

Well N America