the alternative is absolute chaos

if you take control of the elements that these people use to continue existing, how would anything be capable of rising to take over, when there is no vacuum

nonsense

oh I agree that drugs should be legal

society doesn't "want" this system to exist, in any case

and that this would remove most of their funding stream

it is a consequence of poor policy on certain areas

I'm still correct about the devil you know vs chaos

such as drugs

I don't accept that something else will magically spring into existence, just because you said so, if the basis for their existence is eradicated.

they are not just something that will always exist

I never said it would if the basis for their existence was removed

they are a consequence of certain structures in the current society

then I don't think we disagree, really

no, we don't

that being said, I'd rather have bikers in charge, than the immigrants, since they seem to be a lot more prone to using guns in crazy shooting incidents on open streets

if the police can't remove all of them

I've never said anything contrary to that

I agree, I'd rather all the muslims were deported ASAP, even if it means "we" have to _buy_ a part of Africa and form a new nation for them

it was just a general reflection on all this

because I don't think the police can ever remove all of them, when they have a basis for existence

even if it meant we used all the money they're currently costing us to finance their new country for the next 50 years

I'd still rather they were all deported

me too, honestly

but it's going to take a heck of a lot of work for that to happen, and not a lot of people seem to be open to the idea yet

it's not going to happen, and the alternative is civil war in a few generations

possibly

I'll go to Japan if that happens

you'll be long dead

I said "a few generations"

well, depends on what happens with regenerative medicine and such, I'm a bit of an optimist on that front

but yeah, most likely dead

ah, well, that's certainly true, and brain-uploading to silicone isn't that far off either

hopefully not too far off

but if we ignore that, it's much easier

yeah, no real reason to speculate on how society will look if and when that becomes possible

unless you like that sort of thing I guess

I do, but not too much at a time

I like speculation, it's just very hard to talk about two such radical world-altering phenomenons in one conversation

true

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