Message from @Mal
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err, okay, it's not speculation, but fine
well, if it isn't speculation, I'd like to see some evidence of that fact.
I think it's possible to create alternatives to the "services" these people provide, without the consequences that their existence brings with it.
they mostly deal in drugs, drugs aren't as dangerous as ignorant politicians would have us believe
this is a self-evident concept, that once you remove a controlling system with power, several new smaller, unknown elements immediately start rising up to replace it
take away their means of generating revenue
I don't have to prove anything
remove their basis of existence
the cops know who the bikers are, they know their uniform, they know where they live, they talk to them weekly, they agree to keep things on the "down low", and once in a blue moon they get out of containment
or do something we can't accept
and then the cops smack down
this is how society wants it, with good reason
the alternative is absolute chaos
if you take control of the elements that these people use to continue existing, how would anything be capable of rising to take over, when there is no vacuum
nonsense
oh I agree that drugs should be legal
society doesn't "want" this system to exist, in any case
and that this would remove most of their funding stream
it is a consequence of poor policy on certain areas
I'm still correct about the devil you know vs chaos
I don't accept that something else will magically spring into existence, just because you said so, if the basis for their existence is eradicated.
they are not just something that will always exist
I never said it would if the basis for their existence was removed
they are a consequence of certain structures in the current society
then I don't think we disagree, really
no, we don't
that being said, I'd rather have bikers in charge, than the immigrants, since they seem to be a lot more prone to using guns in crazy shooting incidents on open streets
if the police can't remove all of them
I've never said anything contrary to that
I agree, I'd rather all the muslims were deported ASAP, even if it means "we" have to _buy_ a part of Africa and form a new nation for them
it was just a general reflection on all this
because I don't think the police can ever remove all of them, when they have a basis for existence
even if it meant we used all the money they're currently costing us to finance their new country for the next 50 years
I'd still rather they were all deported
me too, honestly
but it's going to take a heck of a lot of work for that to happen, and not a lot of people seem to be open to the idea yet
it's not going to happen, and the alternative is civil war in a few generations
possibly
I'll go to Japan if that happens
you'll be long dead