Message from @franti

Discord ID: 482186735334326282


2018-08-23 13:44:05 UTC  

ok that law is more totalitarian than I thought

2018-08-23 13:44:16 UTC  

like this is really bad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377519739380957184/482183296533528586/unknown.png

2018-08-23 13:44:25 UTC  

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2018-08-23 13:44:36 UTC  

>The amendment also provides that in determining whether an alleged offender has commited the poposed offence of intentionally or recklessley inciting violence, **it is irrelevant whether or not, in response to the alleged offender's public act, any person formed a state of mind or carried out any act of violence**
>for the purposes of the proposed offence a public act includes any form of communication (including speaking, writing, displaying notes, playing of recorded material, broadcasting and communicating through social media and other electonic methods) to the public

2018-08-23 13:51:47 UTC  

@nic reading on a news article about it, I guess from reading it it's only suppose to be for new south wales?

2018-08-23 13:52:31 UTC  

yes, its a NSW law

2018-08-23 13:52:40 UTC  

but NSW laws quickly get passed around everywhere else

2018-08-23 13:53:49 UTC  

@nic loads of countries have those laws. just for race. Like in Beazil

2018-08-23 13:54:23 UTC  

do they have a clause where you can be imprisoned because they think your post was reckless?

2018-08-23 13:54:26 UTC  

because that's what this law has

2018-08-23 13:54:52 UTC  

they can just decide that some guy bashing a gay guy was inspired by your post critising the LGBT and lock you in the slammer for 3 years

2018-08-23 13:55:19 UTC  

Well you can be arrested for posting racist things

2018-08-23 13:55:49 UTC  

It literally explicitly does not say that about imprisoning

2018-08-23 13:56:00 UTC  

@nic The question is whether or not the post is a threat or not

2018-08-23 13:56:11 UTC  

it very explicitly says that it has nothing to do with people acting on your post, only the contents of the post

2018-08-23 13:57:06 UTC  

From what I see it's a law against inciting violence against people using a public platform,

2018-08-23 13:57:11 UTC  

doesn't matter if it's a threat or not, as you can see by public act a), it just needs to be public and "reckless"

2018-08-23 13:57:24 UTC  

all that needs to happen is a gay guy gets punched

2018-08-23 13:57:32 UTC  

and if they can link you to it, they will

2018-08-23 13:57:40 UTC  

and you can't argue against it, because your intent doesn't matter

2018-08-23 13:57:56 UTC  

No it doesn't

Hey Nic you're <:gay:382982146249326612>

2018-08-23 13:58:40 UTC  

@nic Intentionally and recklessly inciting violence
that's the phrasing
it's not
a post that is internationally reckless, or incites violence

2018-08-23 13:59:17 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377519739380957184/482187075106373633/unknown.png

2018-08-23 13:59:26 UTC  

recklessly is used as an adjective in reference to the incitement of violence in that sentence

2018-08-23 13:59:41 UTC  

` Intentionally and recklessly`
Intentionally **or** recklessly

2018-08-23 13:59:52 UTC  

ffs gypsy

2018-08-23 13:59:58 UTC  

read da englith

2018-08-23 14:00:21 UTC  

it's worded in such a manner that they can ignore your intent and connect it to any violence or threat towards LGBT people

2018-08-23 14:01:01 UTC  

but it has to be threatening violence
that's the crime
not being reckless

2018-08-23 14:01:26 UTC  

you
don't
have
to
be
the
one
threatening
you
just
need
to
be
connected
to
it
somehow

2018-08-23 14:01:36 UTC  

whether you know the person or not

2018-08-23 14:01:38 UTC  

because it's public

2018-08-23 14:01:49 UTC  

and you're "recklessly" posting against LGBT

Well you better leave this chat room then cus we have illegal emotes

2018-08-23 14:04:38 UTC  

@nic No, because of the part you linked that clearly outlines that it literally cannot be connected to any violence towards LGBT people
It has to be judged entirely on whether or not the message itself is an incitement to violence
not its connection to real violence
as you yourself typed out

2018-08-23 14:07:16 UTC  

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2018-08-23 14:07:49 UTC  

it is irrelevant whether or not the alleged did the attack, only the public act

2018-08-23 14:14:58 UTC  

you could literally still say gays are trash

2018-08-23 14:15:04 UTC  

its a law against inciting violence or threatening people online

2018-08-23 14:16:02 UTC  

I think you're misreading the part about whether people act on the threat