Message from @radeon
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it's both wrong to state elections or guns are foolproof
you had to find a very niche case in which a country intentionally surrendered control
india didn't win their independence, they were granted it out of the kindness of the english.
Let's look at Spain and Catalonia... Spain now holds a political prisoner for allowing a referendum on independence.
and he's gaining public support
while spain is losing it
you saw the police switching sides to the catalans during the first batch of riots
in case of such a dire threat
the army and police don't comply either
I saw police from Catalonia trying to stop violence, the Spanish police trying to beat everyone down.
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because of the german bankers
@franti that isn't my mindset. The US was founded for any by domestic terrorists. We have a natural extreme skepticism of government power.
hence why I say guns are culture
do you think catalonia wouldn't be free if they were armed?
and gun freedom is culture
muh catalonian anarchism worked
freedom is freedom
"You can't handle my freedoms!"
catalonia would look like the PKK if they just started shooting things up instead of holding a referendum
>implying catalonia isn't the PKK
In the past though, most countries had these freedoms to own firearms, especially all western countries.
I think Catalonia wouldn't have allowed Spanish police to take the ballots away if they had guns to defend them.
Having guns doesn't mean it's your first recourse.
But it stops the opposition from using force as the first recourse.
are you unironically arguing against defending yourself from foreign oppressors with force?
do you think that just because you use force to secure your freedom that that freedom is somehow illegitimate?
no
I'm saying that guns aren't the ultimate guaranteur of freedom
so whats the argument against an armed catalonia?
and that you can be a free soceity without them
yea, they are.
MUH GUNS
until someone decides to ignore your rights, again
the argument against an armed catalonia is number 1 that the conflict isn't over yet
Kosovo's independence wasn't the product of one day
you didn't answer my question, how do you oppress people with guns?
you don't need to opress people in europe
So, fellas