there was nothing stopping the british from continuing to oppress the indians, they stopped for diplomatic reasons.

You know Gandhi said if it were any other nation in control of India they would have already put a bullet in his head for rallying against him

But British people were not like that, despite occupying the land

my point isn't that Britain was tyrannical

Britain isn't a dictatorship ~~yes~~ yet

because liberalism

@radeon It will never happen to us is the mindset wich gets you into the siad situation in the first place

my point is that there are other ways of achieving freedom than guns or elections

it's both wrong to state elections or guns are foolproof

you had to find a very niche case in which a country intentionally surrendered control

india didn't win their independence, they were granted it out of the kindness of the english.

Let's look at Spain and Catalonia... Spain now holds a political prisoner for allowing a referendum on independence.

and he's gaining public support

while spain is losing it

you saw the police switching sides to the catalans during the first batch of riots

in case of such a dire threat

the army and police don't comply either

I saw police from Catalonia trying to stop violence, the Spanish police trying to beat everyone down.

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because of the german bankers

@franti that isn't my mindset. The US was founded for any by domestic terrorists. We have a natural extreme skepticism of government power.

hence why I say guns are culture

do you think catalonia wouldn't be free if they were armed?

and gun freedom is culture

muh catalonian anarchism worked

freedom is freedom

"You can't handle my freedoms!"

catalonia would look like the PKK if they just started shooting things up instead of holding a referendum

if your culture doesn't value freedom then I don't know what to tell you

>implying catalonia isn't the PKK

In the past though, most countries had these freedoms to own firearms, especially all western countries.

I think Catalonia wouldn't have allowed Spanish police to take the ballots away if they had guns to defend them.

Having guns doesn't mean it's your first recourse.

But it stops the opposition from using force as the first recourse.

are you unironically arguing against defending yourself from foreign oppressors with force?

@Ruggwain

do you think that just because you use force to secure your freedom that that freedom is somehow illegitimate?

no

I'm saying that guns aren't the ultimate guaranteur of freedom

so whats the argument against an armed catalonia?

and that you can be a free soceity without them