Then your pastor studies, or whatever it was called, must have sucked. Or you didn't read many books yourself.

Pretty crazy, she owns whole countries like Canada and New Zealand

i would never say that there is no higher power thats retarded, saying any higher power exists that we came up with is just as much so .

Except a dozen or so people a couple of millennia ago were willing to die under torture convinced they had witnessed concrete proof of higher power.

if there was a real god and he gave man true wisdom beyond his limits of the time, it would be the only holy book. yes humans are terrible for that

false memories are not only a thing they are common. theres a reason science doesn't work of off non repeatable results

Worshipping the Sun directly makes much more sense.

people dont make truth

people find truth by testing the world and reconfirming it works the same way through out the world.

Of course you can always claim what people say happened might have been all a conspiracy.

I still don't get what @Deleted User is trying to accomplish. It's like they don't actually fully understand their own position whatsoever.

Just saying if you wanted to worship a higher power, there's one you can see and feel.

if i were to ever lower my standard for what is true to the point where i believed the bible again i would be forced to accept the claims of many religions

@Fitzydog hooty is a troll

well except islam that story and history is laughable.

It was all a conspiracy. All the manuscripts, the 1st century churches built by the apostles, their public torture and executions, the documented orders to desecrate their tombs by the invading Muslim armies. All a massive conspiracy, that's the non-foolish explanation.

@flyingfoxel The problem, is that you're taking the bible literally

thats the best part im not.

So what about Paul?

@DanielKO These peeps don't know shit about Paul

ill go over the insane years of twisting my beliefs untill i couldn't hold them if you want in vc but, i dont have th time nor skill to type it out.

i have all the historical fact to prove most of the bible has the same historically losses of meaning that the Muslims had in the 30-100 years after the death of the patriarch.

but even if parts are true it wont ever make up for the losses in the 13centiry and in the 4th

@flyingfoxel The Old testement is nothing more than a collection of books that people in the past thought were really important. The New Testament is about resolving an ongoing civil war in Judaism, and prostelizing Hellesntic Judaism to the Greeks and Romans, with a focal point on Jesus as a superhero who was executed unjustly.

The important part is that its IMPORTANT

yes with his divinity added in after the fact

It all starts with the first prophet, Zarathustra which everyone seems to ignore.

It has sticking power,

You know how *new* of a concept the idea of 'unjust killing' was at that time?

yes but how can it effect my life today beyond interacting with it's believers

it wasn't new

Except for the Greeks, it was pretty damn progressive

"People always had the same moral values as us now, in the west."

HERE O ISRAEL

jews had the concept 200 years before christ and the antient celts also had the concept

OUR LORD THY GOD IS AHAD

ONE

The OG Jesus

@flyingfoxel Thus the civil war

Go shave your pubes.

lol