Message from @versterven

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2018-05-14 02:45:00 UTC  

I have no problem with nationalising oil industry, or atleast put a tax on it.

2018-05-14 02:45:00 UTC  

So?

2018-05-14 02:45:08 UTC  

so that isn't socialism

2018-05-14 02:45:21 UTC  

Oil is owned by everyone, not who can buy the rights for it.

2018-05-14 02:45:24 UTC  

It is more socialism than what you traditionally think of as capitalistic economies

2018-05-14 02:45:29 UTC  

It's a *spectrum*

2018-05-14 02:45:46 UTC  

The Public sector only receives resources if it complies with the state (as shown with Bakeries)

2018-05-14 02:45:46 UTC  

And Venezuela is more Socialist than most other countries

2018-05-14 02:45:51 UTC  

Charging a private company for the oil they extract, is fine for some people

2018-05-14 02:45:53 UTC  

i mean if you want to make that argument then norway is more socialist than venezuela

2018-05-14 02:46:03 UTC  

It isn't

2018-05-14 02:46:05 UTC  

Norway doesn't have a totalitarian regime

2018-05-14 02:46:08 UTC  

why not

2018-05-14 02:46:16 UTC  

their public sector is way bigger

2018-05-14 02:46:19 UTC  

Because the government has limitations to what it can do

2018-05-14 02:46:25 UTC  

even private sector activity is often driven by state investment

2018-05-14 02:46:30 UTC  

they have strong unions

2018-05-14 02:46:34 UTC  

Norway has a pretty free capitalistic market. And people are happy there.

2018-05-14 02:46:35 UTC  

And you can reliably compete with the government

2018-05-14 02:46:35 UTC  

Because the government has limitations

2018-05-14 02:46:50 UTC  

what does the government having limitations have to do with anything

2018-05-14 02:46:50 UTC  

Switzerland too, Swiss are pretty happy too.

2018-05-14 02:46:51 UTC  

Venezuela just puppets the private sector by strangling resources

2018-05-14 02:47:12 UTC  

Norway is a well regulated capitalist economy and they are happy about it

2018-05-14 02:47:24 UTC  

well i would consider it capitalist yeah

2018-05-14 02:47:45 UTC  

but if we're plotting countries on a spectrum norway is closer to being socialist than venezuela

2018-05-14 02:47:57 UTC  

versterven is on two spectrums

2018-05-14 02:48:06 UTC  

By your standards the USSR was never socialist because private enterprise was allowed in certain industries

2018-05-14 02:48:11 UTC  

*sigh*

2018-05-14 02:48:14 UTC  

i cant do this

2018-05-14 02:48:19 UTC  

those aren't my standards

2018-05-14 02:48:24 UTC  

We're not just looking at the private versus public sector ratios @versterven

2018-05-14 02:48:30 UTC  

the private sector was far from dominant in the ussr

2018-05-14 02:48:30 UTC  

You are misrepresenting our case

2018-05-14 02:48:37 UTC  

?

2018-05-14 02:48:42 UTC  

Ughhhh

2018-05-14 02:48:45 UTC  

It's one part of the equation, there are a lot of other factors to consider

2018-05-14 02:49:08 UTC  

You keep looking at this through a one dimensional lense

2018-05-14 02:49:10 UTC  

That's it.

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2018-05-14 02:49:12 UTC  

Marx promised the collapse of capitalism in the most advanced capitalistic society back then (UK), did not happen, aeyh?

2018-05-14 02:49:14 UTC  

It is not binary