Message from @Koba

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2018-10-21 16:11:31 UTC  

house reps were elected by the state's population, but senators were elected by state legislatures

2018-10-21 16:12:43 UTC  

and of course, the voting population itself was pretty different too...

2018-10-21 16:13:36 UTC  

it's better than what we have now

2018-10-21 16:13:42 UTC  

which is direct election of both

2018-10-21 16:13:42 UTC  

I like it

2018-10-21 16:14:54 UTC  

There is still PR pressure from the public. Republican establishment types support the agenda now

2018-10-21 16:16:31 UTC  

>have awful shitty elite
>have had that since early 20th century
>has only been a matter of how bad they are
>wants a more elitist form of government

2018-10-21 16:16:33 UTC  

<:really:453005408064241674>

2018-10-21 16:16:47 UTC  

oof

2018-10-21 16:17:03 UTC  

We can still b u l l y them

2018-10-21 16:17:16 UTC  

that's why I qualified my argument with the fact that the population was different

2018-10-21 16:17:32 UTC  

that would never work now, and it's good that populists are able to benefit from direct elections

2018-10-21 16:17:53 UTC  

Im pretty sure you get v& and shutdown if you try to bully them

2018-10-21 16:20:22 UTC  

populists' leveraging of direct elections is a reaction to a broken system

2018-10-21 16:20:42 UTC  

we're well past the point of managed, representative democracy, the way it was originally envisioned

2018-10-21 16:21:45 UTC  

but if we were still a serious country, I'd be more comfortable with a less directly-democratic system

2018-10-21 16:23:48 UTC  

of course. everything else is of secondary concern for now

2018-10-21 16:25:45 UTC  

besides, just like in the socialism-libertarianism debate, both direct democracy and illiberal democracy require a high level of trust that your fellow citizens/the elites aren't going to screw you over

2018-10-21 16:26:47 UTC  

and we all know what ruins that societal trust

2018-10-21 16:26:51 UTC  

>elites
>aren't going to screw you over

2018-10-21 16:28:34 UTC  

(((elites)))

2018-10-21 16:28:35 UTC  

I'm talking about people who achieve success and influence in society, not (((elites)))

2018-10-21 16:28:40 UTC  

but fair point

2018-10-21 16:30:02 UTC  

the English, for a long time, had the concept of "noblesse oblige" - basically nobility with obligations to society

2018-10-21 16:30:47 UTC  

i.e. your higher status means you're responsible for giving back, be it through charity, patronage, serving in the military, whatever

2018-10-21 16:30:58 UTC  

if I achieved success & influence in society, as a normie, I would be extremely hesitant to enter politics if I was to do anything short of further attempting to disenfranchise whites

2018-10-21 16:31:33 UTC  

I understand your point I dont really think itll be valid for the mainstream for a long time though

2018-10-21 16:31:55 UTC  

Society, culture, governance, etc have to be molded to the point where that would work well.

2018-10-21 16:32:02 UTC  

you're right - we're in an abnormal situation right now and will be for a while

2018-10-21 16:32:41 UTC  

and those who we trusted to steward society have failed horribly or are actively working against us

2018-10-21 16:34:04 UTC  

so now it's us ordinary people who have to make some aggressive course corrections

2018-10-21 16:34:42 UTC  

with the usual caveats - peacefully, lawfully, in Minecraft, etc. <:4dchess:439923932062154782>

2018-10-21 16:37:02 UTC  

Who's ready to DEFEND THE ROCKIES!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481597551272001546/503607656431222786/DSC_0163.jpg

2018-10-21 16:37:18 UTC  

Stupid amounts of pumped up for this

2018-10-21 16:55:40 UTC  

@Nemets Leadership has already begun disbursing funds to some travelers. The more donations we receive, the more of our top folks we can send.

2018-10-21 16:57:37 UTC  

Reach out to Wayne and Matthias if you would like to make specific arrangements for someone.

2018-10-21 17:19:13 UTC  

@Sam Anderson so my permission to talk in the media page was taken from me. But regardless, although we are have our opinions on Gavin Mcinnes flaws and shortcomings. He's prevented a ton of smearing by journalists and effectively tied their hands using a lawyer and threatening them with defamation lawsuits

2018-10-21 17:21:16 UTC  

I remember one particular article calling them white supremists he targeted and they resorted to changing it to "ultra-nationalist"

2018-10-21 17:25:23 UTC  

@Sacramento Only mods and coords can post in <#359019439116648458> now. 😕

2018-10-21 17:31:52 UTC  

Rip

2018-10-21 17:45:28 UTC  

The fact that politics is infecting science to this degree is pretty terrifying tbh.