Message from @banestrum

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2018-07-22 20:50:07 UTC  

or something like that

2018-07-22 20:50:19 UTC  

Sounds retarded

2018-07-22 20:50:28 UTC  

his destiny is to kill Apocalypse, some doomsday mutant, but some douchebag infected him with the metal virus to kill him before that

2018-07-22 20:50:36 UTC  

so he was sent to the future to learn how to git gud and maybe cure it one day

2018-07-22 20:50:55 UTC  

Well, again, if it wasn't for him fighting it off he would be a planet-buster mutant

2018-07-22 20:53:08 UTC  

ooo

2018-07-22 21:06:16 UTC  

The floor was wiped with Cetronius. Never forget.

2018-07-22 21:17:39 UTC  

imagine my shock

2018-07-22 21:20:34 UTC  

londonistan inhabitants think it haram with gay sex and pre marital sex what a shock

2018-07-22 21:28:16 UTC  

Guys get your popcorn ready

2018-07-22 21:29:10 UTC  

I bet they also like sharia

2018-07-22 21:29:14 UTC  

Just a hunch

2018-07-22 21:31:07 UTC  

Yeah I agree

2018-07-22 21:34:42 UTC  

@franti I'd want to see a peterson vs owen jones debate

2018-07-22 21:38:50 UTC  

So I think I have a decent way to articulate the issue many people have with the "Capitalism kills millions" argument.

2018-07-22 21:41:41 UTC  

The death tolls often quoted for capitalism are usually abstracted from general deaths from malnutrition, curable illness, environmental hazards, or other "preventable" causes. These are implied to be the direct result of capitalism, as if capitalism caused all these things, which we know it does not. Yes, capitalism CAN cause things like air pollution and food shortages via market shenanigans, but this is by FAR the minority of these causes of death.

2018-07-22 21:44:06 UTC  

@banestrum
Except the same death toll lists for communism use such metrics

2018-07-22 21:45:59 UTC  

While implying that capitalism is the direct cause of all these deaths (it isn't), the actual factual argument being made is that capitalism COULD HAVE prevented these deaths if it wasn't so focused on profit to the exclusion of all else. Again, sometimes this is true, diseases go untreated because of medicine being overpriced or whatever, but AGAIN, this is acting as if capitalism (an economic system, not an actual government) has any sort of responsibility towards people's well being. I think this is a bit of projection on the communists' part, as they're treating capitalism like a failed communist system that isn't taking care of it's citizens as it should be. That is the job of a government, and when people criticize communism, they're criticizing the system of government, not the economics (usually).

2018-07-22 21:49:12 UTC  

The people that are quoted in "deaths caused by communism" are from starvation or the use of force by the communist state (along with some other stuff). These are quite often the direct result of actions taken by the communist state (like shooting a dissident usually results in them dying). Essentially, deaths under communism are often directly caused by the communist state, which should bear responsibility for their deaths. I think it's dishonest to compare a death by omission (at worst) to willful murder by the state.

2018-07-22 21:49:16 UTC  

That make sense?

2018-07-22 21:51:38 UTC  

Capitalism has the philospihy of the enlightenment, and individuality woven into it
the morality of entrepenuership
pulling yourself up from your bootstraps

2018-07-22 21:52:09 UTC  

If you read the capital it isnt about that socialism is more moral

2018-07-22 21:55:02 UTC  

Well I was more wondering if that was a decent if wordy explanation of why the "capitalism kills millions" argument is fallacious

2018-07-22 21:57:13 UTC  

You wont convince ideologicaly charged people

2018-07-22 21:57:28 UTC  

But is it a logical explanation of my position?

2018-07-22 21:58:04 UTC  

I don't intend to magically make people change their minds, but usually being reasonable and explaining your position gets them to reexamine their approach a bit

2018-07-22 21:58:40 UTC  

it is sound

2018-07-22 22:08:09 UTC  

Damn now I need a Nazi pug with a puppy pug pfp

2018-07-22 22:24:58 UTC  

The floor was wiped with Cetronius. Never forget.

2018-07-22 22:29:53 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/470719160167563275/unknown.png

2018-07-22 22:29:59 UTC  

You've gotta be fucking kidding me

2018-07-22 22:30:09 UTC  

Communications class strikes again.

2018-07-22 22:30:29 UTC  

unethical

2018-07-22 22:30:54 UTC  

obviously

2018-07-22 22:33:29 UTC  

Trufax

2018-07-22 23:01:25 UTC  

> cake decorator