Oh, this goes back like 10 years on Youtube, especially with Sargon. SJWs and New Atheists heavily overlap

Take a chart. draw one line on and angle and draw another slightly below that one

name bottome time up down growth

done

Atheism+ are not representative of all atheists

Hard to make a chart when I don't know the numbers

i think atheism contributed to a lot of the crap that's been happening since the 60's

There is a corrolation @Goblin_Slayer_Floki. The death of religion has caused people to replace god with ideology. Humans have an innate need to work towards a 'higher' purpose and feel included in community. Secularism failed to replace the community of church with anything so people made community centered around ideology.

Athiesm+ was the inevitable conclusion

@Fredrickbismark I smell commies

Yeah, if you're blaming the world's problems and history of atrocities on Religion, well you're part of the problem lol

Basically @Fredrickbismark

@Fredrickbismark well said tho. I agree.

He said what I meant just with more words

yeah

Personally, I may not believe in a literal deity or God, but I'm sure as hell not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

@Fitzydog Do you know how the moral value of truth engrained in Europe 3000 years ago if you can't teach someone to value truth?

I was more general, but the problems with new atheism and sjwism are symptomatic of the same societal problems that lead to the atrocities of the 20th century.

@codenamecam Well.... Greek philosophy and a desire for truth above all else, seeking a rational explanation for all things regardless of the 'sacredness'. Nothing is off limits.

I will be frank. Athiesm split into 2 factions. The ones who replace the church for science 1 for 1, and the Athiesm+ with idiology in the place of church

both sects are simply filling the void with something else

@codenamecam If you asked an Islamic scholar to write a teleological proof that God exists, he'd probably cut your head off.

big

Best answer is that you cant

A belief is a belief

Some things cant be known.

That doesn't stop Catholic philosophers from trying.

True

It's encouraged

Well I like seeing theologicians try

I just cant see it being done

Christianity always had the opening to understand the world and god. Islam doesnt

to probe the world is to slight against allah.

The important part is that it is ENCOURAGED. That's the strive for truth

I miss the golden age of islam @Fitzydog

“Golden age”

@MountainMan I don't think it ever existed

Hell most of the *science* of the golden age bs wasnt even islamic people. It was jews and other ideologies who lived in islamic countries and payed their theology tax

It was just 'golden' in comparison to the Dark Ages in europe

A golden age in comparison to the rest is still golden

The Dark Ages really werent *that* dark