Message from @Puma
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I haven't met an anarchist who explained to me how they will deal with a canton (the anarchist equivalent of territory/state) will deal with one that disagrees with them on fundamental issues like what is the nature of hierarch
Because, only I should have recreational nukes
Stop opressing me you damn commie
They use communes and cantons @Puma to refer to regions
Under their comtrol
That works
But yeah
Any commune would get streamrolled by a coherent force
@Farseer Selna Vesha Where people see anarchy they also see an oportunity to subjugate
See *the result of most anarchy*
See the Paris commune
Catalonia
Weimar Germany, perhaps
Free theritory
@Farseer Selna Vesha please tell me that you aren’t a Tankie
Yep, the Spanish civil war (mostly anarchists vs facists with communists helping anarchists) showed a state with an organised territory is superior to a group of effective guerrillas , the anarchists had no tanks or ability to produce them etc
No I'm a leftcom,
So, what is the closest that anyone has come to creating your ideal state?
@Farseer Selna Vesha Their first problem was going to war
Seeing as fascist states don’t like dissnt
we need a libertarian fascist state
@franti oh god, not the memereich
Mine? No one really, Lenin and the bolsheviks fucked up a lot i.e starting a revolution in a feudal society with a feudal mode of production before Russia had adopted industrial capitalism/had a Bourg revolution
Mao repeated this in china
Yeah, that ended up to a lot of people dying, from what I understand
egoist monarchy
Turns out suddenly taking all of your farmers and putting them in factories ends up with less food
Well they had to basically industrialise directly , especially to compete with the west, Lenin in part compensated for this by his NEP project
Which was essentiallly in his own words a state directed capitalism
Or in the case of Ukraine, as I understand it, rounding up all of the good farmers and throwing them into gulags for being too productive
To build Russian industry
I also like how he had gone from anarchism to having managers and a hiearchy in the factories
You also had awards for the most productive workers