@Puma If you'd have been paying attention, I already stated that further up

Yup

Well that @Puma I agree, but also hierarchy is super useful, a lot of political problems and complexities arrise if hierarchy is abolished

That and some people are just good at leading

Anarchists have a lot of coherency problems

@Farseer Selna Vesha We can go the JBP route and say hierarchy is part of the huamn experience an ingraned into us

@Farseer Selna Vesha lol have you seen AnCap memes? They're usually just a wall of text.

Also, any Anarchist “State” (I use state as means of describing an area that is under anarchism) can easily be steamrolled by any state with a coherent plan

@Puma Ahh, but why would you want to?

I haven't met an anarchist who explained to me how they will deal with a canton (the anarchist equivalent of territory/state) will deal with one that disagrees with them on fundamental issues like what is the nature of hierarch

Because, only I should have recreational nukes

Stop opressing me you damn commie

They use communes and cantons @Puma to refer to regions

Under their comtrol

That works

But yeah

Any commune would get streamrolled by a coherent force

@Farseer Selna Vesha Where people see anarchy they also see an oportunity to subjugate

See *the result of most anarchy*

See the Paris commune

Catalonia

Weimar Germany, perhaps

Free theritory

@Farseer Selna Vesha please tell me that you aren’t a Tankie

Yep, the Spanish civil war (mostly anarchists vs facists with communists helping anarchists) showed a state with an organised territory is superior to a group of effective guerrillas , the anarchists had no tanks or ability to produce them etc

No I'm a leftcom,

So, what is the closest that anyone has come to creating your ideal state?

@Farseer Selna Vesha Their first problem was going to war

That was probably inevitable

@Farseer Selna Vesha I think I got something for you

Seeing as fascist states don’t like dissnt

we need a libertarian fascist state

@franti oh god, not the memereich

@Mickey D Anarcho-Monarchy now!

Mine? No one really, Lenin and the bolsheviks fucked up a lot i.e starting a revolution in a feudal society with a feudal mode of production before Russia had adopted industrial capitalism/had a Bourg revolution