but survivor sounds like the default expectation is death

I suppose it's the best word we have for it

The survivor in of itself invokes sympathy and emotion.

For this reason I submit that this is why they say "survivor".

so you think it's also a rhetoric thing?

I would say yes.

seems reasonable

The modern left is very good at pulling your heart strings.

Why going through the free market of ideas when you can appeal to emotions?

Its faster and grants the desired effect quicker.

@Onyxdood Have you read 'Art of the Argument' from Molyneux?

I don't buy into the whole "When they're drunk, it is *never* the victims fault" thing

like

@Fitzydog no

if you go get blackout drunk alone with a guy who has a reputation for that sort of thing

and everyone said "don't do it, something bad will happen"

that's on you

@Onyxdood It's pretty much entirely about that. The modern fight between reason, and sophistry

that's like leaving your car doors unlocked in a bad neighborhood and then complaining when stuff gets stolen

I have very little sympathy

@Antiboom I don't view it as so. It takes 2 to tango, so to speak. Its not anyones fault at that point imo.
@Fitzydog I would love to pick up that book tbh.

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@Onyxdood at that point I'd consider it both peoples fault

one of them commited it

and the other one put themselves in a position where they knew it was likely to happen

I understand the reason.

If I may ask what is everyone's political leanings? I myself am a minarchist (borderline ancap).

I'm in your boat. Used to be an AnCap, but I like borders too much lol

Lol

I like to think of myself as a social libertarian

but economic more conservative leaning

although I feel like I shouldn't form opinions on stuff I haven't spent a lot of time looking into

so for the most part I have little opinion

Fair enough

@Fitzydog I figured you may of been a ancap once you mentioned Stefan Molyneux

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the sentiment and the logical consistency, but it presupposes that the rest of the world operates on similar axioms to yourself

*Logical Consistency* as it ignores the human nature.

Ideally it does not matter what the rest of the world thinks.

A AnCap society only needs to town or city to operate.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki But dis-similar from socialism, in that the more people who apply it, the more positive society gets.

You can't complain about *too many* people who mind their own business and don't impede on your own