And the people keep the state in check, its all check and balances all the way down.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki But, to explore your question: How are local police paid with property taxes municipally, not an extension of the NAP?

I never said it wasn't.
I said NAP ONLY works with State enforcement

They'll always come a point where the state cannot be checked by people

Maybe in one without the express set up like the US

Then how do we ask the people keep something like the NSA in check?

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki I might concede to a middle ground of: The NAP can only work if there's a monopoly on the law system

To many clauses and releifs to the people.

But again, I prefer that to say, Cartel rulership

@Onyxdood Whissle blowers

@Fitzydog And who holds the monopoly?

@zoopokemon and where is Edward Snowden at now?

Whissle Blowers into the Court systems. @Onyxdood

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki idk, at that point you might as well call that monopoly a 'state' for all I care lol

You realize there are hundreds of other whistleblowers all the time. All don't end up like Snowden, who prolly did it as stupid as possible.

And then more or less defected.

And yet the NSA is still here

The NSA won't go anywhere, but they were driven back some on powers.

Again, Snowden didn't do it correctly. Correctly would have been going to a court with the same security clearances or congress. NSA falls under the Executive Branch. Judicial and Legislative are there to check the Executive. If you spill secrets like he did, there are laws about the handling of information.

Dude wasn't even smart enough to do it annonymously

My immediate question would be then why hasn't the Supreme Court ruled the NSA unconstitutional

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Yeah, I'd never trust the other intelligence agencies lol

I never said Int Agencies.

@Onyxdood Because the SCOTUS only reviews cases presented to them

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki You'd have to go to the DOJ. Which is in bed with the FBI and CIA

Then my obvious question would be why hasn't anyone presented the case yet

You can go simply to a federal court. But the best option would be the Congressional panel on intellegence

@Onyxdood because cases to go to SCOTUS, has to go to a lower court first generally, and be ruled on. And again, it would mean lawyers, ect. TBH, Snowden was a chump and should have gone that way if he wasn't simply looking for attention. Or again, annonymously.

You should read up on the processes before simply dismissing them.

Also, you probably don't realize. If a case is presented with near no evidence, or minor, or inadmissable evidence, it will be passed on by SCOTUS.

I'm sorry did I ever dismiss these processes?

THey get presented hundreds of cases a year, and turn down many for those reasons

And his safety would have been guaranteed in a situation like that?

The courts could order witness protection (United States Marshals Service). And if that is violated. Lets just say, even Clinton wouldn't get off on that.

Perhaps.

but tbh, NSA isn't as in with the other intel groups. Mostly because their creation actually took from the other's abilities.

If Snowden didn't violate the Security Clearance laws, he probably wouldn't have been touched. tbf

I doubt that

Regardless, what the NSA does to the people of America is in fact a violation of property rights and personal liberties

We shouldnt have to wait for a case to reach the SCOTUS to that fact to become apparent.

Is it? If you give a company the right to store your calls/texts/ect and the NSA taps into that, is that a violation of your right? Since you signed it to the company?

yes? lol

It is as these rights are inalienable that cannot be sacrificed willingly or not

I made a contract with the phone company, not the NSA