Message from @Szayel's Pooppion
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In regard to lust: Lust is reducing your neighbor to its flesh. You objectify him/her in the sense that all you see in your neighbor is a tool, which is evil. In the same way you wouldn't like people to reduce you to your body fat/nose shape/body flaws, in the same way you should not reduce people to their reproductive organ.
All lust is evil, even if it is in marriage. Because when you lust, all you see is flesh and your crave is similar to gluttony, which is you becoming a beast.
Lust hates Love. Love hates Lust.
Just my 2 cents.
That's interesting
I would wonder though if not lust in marriage, you couldn't make children
Nah it would be like drinking a protein shake after a workout. You know it's gross but you gotta do it if you want them gainz.
you can make children without lust.. lust is when one takes the idea of sex and makes it into a fantasy or fetish. to worship the body or experience is sin. just be it and let go.
There'd be no point in me having kids if I think the process of making kids is gross <:GWmythicalThonkCool:367331557100224522>
I think it works like Jesse says, that's why God created the fallen state. But at least those who get married and do is right are protected under him
The point isn't the process, it's the making of babies. That's why it's wham-bam-thankyouma'am and not all gay with candles and incense and whatnot. That yearning for the flesh gets you nowhere and is a craving that can never be satisfied. Satire says it right. Just take it or leave it, it's whatever.
well yeah the candles stuff is cringey but i'm not talking about that
You still have to enjoy it
well for men moreso
if that is so then how'd we differ from animals?
Men absolutely don't have to enjoy sex to have it. Just ask my ex!
I'm talking about when you're married lol
I was
@Szayel's Pooppion romantic love leads to reproduction.
As you get closer to each other, your body gets in heats and everything comes natural as an experience of love and great intimacy.
Morally is done only in marriage.
Lust is seeking the flesh. Love is seeking the mind, heart, spirit.
@Path oh cool so you make that distinction. That’s what I think too then.
"Romantic love" is still describing lust. If you just wanted someone to agree with what you already think, don't ask silly questions.
There’s a distinction. You don’t marry someone for the lust but bc you love them. And as he said, the sex comes about naturally rather than an unnatural feeling of lust, bc those are thoughts, so Satan
I don’t think anybody was asking questions tho
No you marry them because you want to make children and God brings you together. As a Christian you're supposed to love all people equally. You keep confusing "love" with lust.
Right, I know that. The only reason for marriage is to have children, but you have to love them in order to marry them. And you have to have that love which causes you to come together in that way, not lust. That's why even men and women of god are still in a fallen state, it's so they can feel compelled to come together and do that. Bc exactly like Jesse says, if you're truly not in the fallen state, you won't have the need to get married at all, bc you will be unable to feel the desire for sex. All enlightened individuals are like this. Getting married to someone, and coming together out of love, is a higher form of "passion" bc those who are truly in the fallen state only come together out of lust
^ this here is why you don't argue with a woman. They don't listen and have zero sense.
lol I'm actually quoting Jesse but okay
You'll learn your place one day... till then, suffer and die!
That's what the other guy said too, and Jesse has said this, and since Jesse is enlightened, that's exactly why he's said this
Lust is reducing the human to body parts and craving them to receive pleasures of the flesh. It is a very egocentric affection. You can compare it with gluttony. For example, looking at a dog and craving its legs, hips, etc imagining how good they will taste if you could just have them and cook them right.
Romantic Love is of the heart, mind, spirit. It is a supernatural, so to say, experience. And sex comes naturally as a form of greater union, (morally only in the sanctity and protection of marriage).
Love is of two kinds: Platonic love (how you love your mom, dad, dog, God, friends, sisters) and Romantic love (how you love your husband/wife, has dating, kissing, holding hands,etc)
And in regard of women, the natural order is about co-existing in balance. Is not about seeing women as being less than men. Women are a blessing. Don't look down on them. Lead, but lead with righteousness and love.
Isn't that what Jesse always says? The man must love his wife as Jesus loves His church. And a man must be righteous.
Wrong. I hope you aren't a man, with that laundry list of excuses for being a BETAAAAA!!
Also, suggesting Jesus fornicates with the church is just plain sacrilegious and uncalled for. You both disgust me with your lust for carnal sins.
What are your views?
That it's still possible to have sex outside a fallen state under the sanctimony of marriage. That it's just like eating when you're already full. You have no appetite but you know you gotta clean your plate.