Whether or not it was the cornerstone of the investigation means nothing.. It was part of the investigation.

An investigation has multiple paths and avenues it goes down @{CAP}Radeon

That’s why the Trump campaign is so focused on carter Paige. Even though there were only two out of four fisa warrants regarding him that were faulty @{CAP}Radeon

It doesn't matter what path goes which way. If any part of that investigation involved illegitimate warrants or other searches/seizures, the entire investigation gets thrown out.

All the other warrants to investigate other aspects were obtained correctly @{CAP}Radeon

That’s not true at all @{CAP}Radeon

I don't care anymore.

Yeah well that’s the reality

No matter how much reason and logic I throw at you.. You're just going to make the same fucking argument. Frankly I'm tired of it. Same old james.

You are saying things that aren’t true , that’s just being factually wrong . This has nothing to do with any logical argument

Question. Can CIs be obtaining information before an investigation formally begins?

Yes same old James being correct

https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Johnson-Grassley%20Submission%202020-12-09.pdf

The FBI officially started it’s investigation on 7/31 but the declassified texts refer to CIs collecting information prior to the official start date.

@Livingstone no idea. I’m going off the Horowitz report

Ok.

The Russia probe started in may

That’s is talking about July

Humility, it seems, is not one of your strong suits.... If an illegitimate warrant is obtained in an investigation into someone for illegal activity, regardless of what anyone says or does, or what evidence is uncovered. It legitimizes the entire case in the eyes of the court. This happens at the state level, and it happens at the federal level. It's just as bad for an investigation as failing to Miranda a detainee....

Crossfire Hurricane started in July. That was the counterintelligence intelligence investigation into Trump associates and Russian officials.

Personally I believe it's all the deep state trying to get rid of Trump - the Russia probe, the Ukraine phone call / impeachment, trying to get Cohen/Flynn/Stone to incriminate Trump - and even COVID was probably manufactured as the final attempt

Everyone knows, isolation and hardship are two contributing factors to worsen otherwise harmless psychological behaviors!

And good old "c'mon man" Biden has promised 100 days of shutdown... It's going to kill the economy.

@{CAP}Radeon again no.

again... yes

I’m not finding anything saying it started it May but I might just not be looking in the right places. Everything I am seeing says the FBI launched its investigation on July 31 and that is the date of Crossfire Hurricane which got taken over by mueller.

No your assessment is wrong. Two warrants in an entire investigation exploring multiple avenues doesn’t disqualify all the other legitimate warrants into all other entities @{CAP}Radeon

@Livingstone thats when mueller took over

I believe that Mueller is also a conflict of interest.

@Livingstone the official start may be when the probe into things started after Initial information gathering

Ok. The link I dropped has texts from 2016. The FBI started its investigation on July 31, 2016. But the declassified texts in the link show that there were CIs collecting evidence for the Trump Russia Collusion prior to the initial start date.

I don’t think that’s unusual @Livingstone

Collecting could be given information from sources and looking it over before starting the probe

This guy came as a troll and will always be the consummate troll

I think he's funny. He's too ridiculous to take seriously.

Sadly Youtube removed the video showing D’elio altering the votes. (Youtube guidelines talking about 2020 Election integrity.)

Then this is the link to the information when it comes to the Italy news about D’elio as well as links to the affidavit, and other things.

https://nationsinaction.org/2021/01/press-release-voter-fraud/?fbclid=IwAR09QqsGvhP9sqzN3bagBnrwA1ujDycMemU5z0Kc_OVjtIRNbAhaWMGAWHg

they were idiots for waiting till jan 6th to get this out, even jan 2nd would have been not too late. There is another way to think about it. Trump knew about the affidavit on dec 23rd (that's per the lady at Nations in Action Maria Zack and an interview she gave, link below). https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/01/08/italy-gate-foreign-election-interference-seal-team-six-has-this-one/

if he knew, that means Pence knew. And if he knew, he shouldn't have accepted the votes of the electors under ANY circumstances, and should have asked the info to be authenticated. Which means either of 2 things, either he was threatened, or he planned it knowing there will be attack of some sort in Washington DC.

See the evidence of Antifa's planned attack presented by Giuliani https://rudygiulianics.com/

sorry, I just watched the video and apparently its also now censored from Vimeo??, but it had plenty of evidence on video and testimony re Antifa's coordination. In short, they came in to the capitol, with hammers and ropes to be able to scale buildings and break in. They had walky -talkies and there were many people that heard them coordinate attack on the capitol, and MAGA people tried to stop them.

Some of the police and sheriffs as well as likely mayor were on it, as sheriff police possibly brought antifa to the washington DC protest --- I mean unless they have an explanation for the video with the buses