Message from @Maw
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Well.... it is "sort of" a lie. Because there is likely some level of voter fraud in every election. And I don't know anyone that has asserted there is NO Fraud at all.
Most people are of the opinion there was no voter fraud of any real consequence. There is certainly no reliable evidence to suggest that fraud existed to such an extent to change the results even in a single county, much less a state.
Saying there is a lack of evidence != there was no fraud.
"Evidence of absence is not absence of evidence."
The quote is in reverse, but still valid.
There is an abundance of evidence
For your standards, maybe.
We have very different standards of what constitutes evidence.
I think you know that is NOT what I said.
I said there is no reliable evidence to suggest that there was any significant voter fraud.
I think we really must start at a point of thinking the election is legal and fair.
After all, voter fraud is a crime. A crime requires evidence. We do not presume someone is guilty. We presume they are innocent until evidence indicates otherwise.
The guy hacked into the machines in front of the GA legislature during the hearing after the ceo said they werent connected to the internet
This is strong correlation, weak correlation, implied causation, explicit causation, misinformation, and truths.
We don't even disagree on the point, dunno why this is being contended between you and I anyway.
I must have missed that part. Do you have a link? I watched most of the GA hearing and I didnt see that....
BUT....
Just because some COULD have happened doesn't mean it DID happen.
Sure he did. There was no evidence this statement was true.
But apparently you think this is evidence?
It's like, textbook hearsay.
When we have reasonable suspicion based on facts and circumstances, we usually investigate. Thats how evidence is obtained. What happened here is deny deny deny, mock, deny, slander, dismiss.
Cause Im a prick.... I dunno.... No, honestly I thought you were suggesting that just because there is no evidence doesnt mean it didnt happen. And sure that is true. But it wasn't what I was saying.
Most of the cases were dismissed on procedure not on merrit
Supreme court wouldnt even hear it
Congress wouldnt hear it
I'm saying because there is no evidence of fraud doesn't mean it hasn't happened, but I'm anything but suggesting there was wide-spread fraud. I follow Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor as principles.
The media wouldnt dare entertain it
This isn't really true.
It is absolutely true
Many, many cases were looked at the merits.
The texas case was dismissed on standing
The texas case wasn't even about fraud really.
Many were not even heard
Well... we have to disagree there. There have been over 60 cases. I have watched hours of hearings and read dozens of affidavits and I personally do not see even a reasonable suspicion.
And, I would truly like to see the link of the guy hacking into the system in the GA hearing. I truly didn't hear about that at all .
Trump and his team did not file 60 suits
You're literally just cycling talking points right now.
Rather than discussing.
Other ppl have filed suits that have failed, thats correct. But they were not his cases that were ridiculous.
@Joe Snow, you just advanced to level 9!
He just claimed '"I'm in" *in hacker voice*' with literally 0 evidence.
Yes. That is true. Many were not heard on the merits, but some were and those were dismissed as well.
And the fact a case was not heard on the merits it just part of the legal system. If a plaintiff doesn't have standing then he/she doesnt have standing and the case must be dismissed. And that decision can be appealed.
Which also meant he claimed he committed a crime on live TV.
No. That is not accurate. Team Trump had cases heard on the merits in GA and in Michigan and in Pennsylvania
It was mind-blowing.