Wasnt the "Thou shalt not kill" quote actually longer, and something like "Thou shalt not kill without reason/needlessly/in cold blood"? or am I wrong? Because if someone tries to harm your family, harm you, or kill either... its justified to kill them in self defense.

oh i know. i disagree with the line of thought. but it's a sentiment that they use to explain abortion

Well it is incredibly invalid

of course. it is an extremely calloused line of thinking.

Because then if it were a valid statement then all orphans and teenagers would be killed

there are very very very few circumstances in which abortion is justifiable. the vast majority of circumstances are wrong, unjustifiable, and could be avoided through self restraint and not being careless.

again, i'm just playing the devil's advocate here: those that chose to go through with the pregnancy but gave up the kids for orphanage are irresponsible because they willingly let the kids suffer through the terrible system. (however, you can absolutely bring up the fact that they do/protest little to reform the orphanage system, comparing to killing their kids)

You just need to look at how we continuously move the line of when a premature baby born is actually viable. Currently, we already had a 21-week 5-day-year-old baby survive and you can have abortions after that point still.

00.1% of abortion is incest and they almost always keep the baby

ha. at some point we will justified murdering of adults as "late abortion"

isoboto brings up something I strongly agree with. The foster care/orphanage system is so fucking horrible... I wouldnt wish any child to have to go through that shit.

Its just because people are inconvenienced by their responsibilities

abortion is killing a baby while its still inside of it's mother... you cant abort an adult human being, or even a child thats just been born. that goes past abortion murder to just straight murder.

Yup. And I am kind of perplexed that everybody agrees that the foster system is shitty, yet not many debate on how to fix it.

@Wardog my family has personally tried to adopt 5 times and they refused because we were going to homeschool

There isnt as much to debate about how to fix it, as there is on who is going to fix it, and how do we actually make change.

for real? "homeschooling" shouldn't be a disqualified

Im broke as fuck, barely scraping by on my own. What the fuck can I do about the foster care system? The things I do do are not contribute to the problem, and tell people about how horrible it is and make more people aware.

true. but i meant as in somebody mentioned "foster care reform" as an alternative to "free-for-all abortion"

Yep, while fostering, thild is still the government's responsibility which is why they require the public school over homeschooling but once the adoption goes through I believe you can homeschool. I know people at my church that do that.

@isoboto well as much as it sucks... they are extremely rude to Christians and homeschoolers

welp. not many "big name" charities are doing anything for these kids. usually it's the smaller, local charities that make impact. so maybe you can't help the kids now, you can do it somewhere down the line

its just... The system is really fucked, its fucked for the poor children that have to go through that hell, its fucked for the GOOD parents who will give the child a life they deserve who arent allowed to adopt for a plethora of bullshit reasons, and its fucked because they let absolute scum adopt children and put them through even more hell than if they just stayed in teh system... there are shit stains out there who adopt a bunch of children for the checks so they can profit off them.....

Christianphobia is a real thing: Change my mind.

people will hate me for saying it, and I truly believe abortion is evil, but sometimes kids are better off not being born than going through that Hell.

Im atheist, I think Christianphobia is real.

I see it all over the place.

This is extremely true a little company does more then celebrities

Besides all the hoops you have to jump through to foster/adopt, I think one of the biggest problems is how expensive it is for some reason.

Philanthropy is almost dead... many great things of the past came from it, but now we have virtue signaling cunts that do fake philanthropy.

@Stargatemaster96 Christians are going to have to be ready to adopt after abortion is illegal

There also also so many rules you have to follow, some states don't even let you foster/adopt if you own a firearm in your house, even if it's kept secure.

it's true. And you can take it to the extreme: in wars/genocide, is it better for the parents to not give birth at all and don't burden the child with the suffering? There is a moral question: let's say a pack of wolves are chasing a parent and his/her child, what should the parent do? The most efficient answer is: the parent leaving the child to be mauled. so, you can argue lives are dispensable and kids' lives are, too

After abortion is illegal millions of kids are going to be born... and people have to be ready to help

if the legalities are not fixed, though, people that want to help still CAN'T help

Along with other stupid shit like that, something else that bothers me is examples where they didnt let a gay couple adopt a child... Youre telling me this gay couple with, as one comedian put it, "gay people have plenty of disposable income." LMAO arent allowed to adopt a child... why? They live in a nice area, they have a nice house, a nice environment, want a child badly they cant produce on their own, are willing to put the child in a good school and give them excellent care... but why arent they allowed to adopt? The child deserves to sit in the adoption hell instead? fuck off.

@isoboto they will be able to just watch

I already plan to. God has already given me that desire and my degrees will mean I will have the economic ability to pay for all those expensive legal things to do that.

yeah. i think that's a dumb rule to exclude gay couples. i thought most states got that rules crossed out already, though?

I have no idea, everywhere is different, and people in charge of that stuff can do illegal things and get away with it.

Ive seen example of it in the past, just as you guys pointed out examples of not being allowed to adopt because you wanted to home school, or someone owned a legal registered safely stored firearm, etc.