Message from @zaley rose

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2020-12-08 20:46:50 UTC  

More than worth it, or we wouldn't have done it six times.

2020-12-08 20:47:30 UTC  

No its from EVERYONE's labor, even employees without children.

2020-12-08 20:49:27 UTC  

So do you belief maternity leave and company health insurance is also wrong. Some people use more benefits then others and pull more out of the pool while other use less of the benefits.

2020-12-08 20:50:39 UTC  

The idea is that eventually everyone will get about equal use out of their benefits if they stay long enough. However it is still a product of your labor because it's a part of your pay for working at said company.

2020-12-08 20:51:49 UTC  

I'm an employer who does not offer maternity leave for anyone, because the cost is borne by others. Only PART of the cost is borne by you, the rest is borne by others. Insurance is different because the cost is LESS to the employee due to the group aspect.

2020-12-08 20:53:15 UTC  

Only those who have children during their employment can ever see the benefit. Nearly half of my employees already have their children and won't have more. It is unfair to make them bear the cost of someone else's personal choices.

2020-12-08 20:54:09 UTC  

And many employees pass through here in less than a few years, reaping a benefit and then leaving.

2020-12-08 20:58:06 UTC  

I have no problem with you as an employer doing that. I know many people who are young would prefer that because they would want more pay now rather then more benefits. I wouldn't want to require things like that because companies and individuals have different priorities. However because we live in a simi capitalist society, someone else may go elsewhere where they have less take home pay but the benefit package includes more paid vacation, better insurance options, or maternity/paternity leave.

2020-12-08 21:05:06 UTC  

The problem arises as some voluntarily offer the benefit, many more believe it should be mandatory, just listen to the SJW crowd about nearly anything. I'm still working into my 70's because I have a team of people currently depending on my businesses for their livelihood. When I leave the businesses are done, unless those employees want to purchase the assets and keep it going. I have in the last decade been forced to do a great many things that I'd just as soon not, but laws have changed forcing the actions. I'm now at a point where I'll close it all up and sell off the assets before I'm forced into another compromise, putting over 400 families out of work. That's sad, but I'm at the end of the string anyway, its going to happen soon anyway.

2020-12-09 15:52:04 UTC  

Hey all could you guys get me links of Biden saying hes going to take away guns

2020-12-09 15:53:37 UTC  

Trying to prove a family member wrong

2020-12-09 16:22:17 UTC  

idk if this helps u but I just found these vids

2020-12-09 17:33:50 UTC  

He also said he was going to appoint Beta "Hell yes" O'Rourke to take away guns

2020-12-09 18:57:25 UTC  

Thank you

2020-12-09 18:58:28 UTC  

good work guys

2020-12-09 18:58:33 UTC  

this community is awesome

2020-12-09 19:06:15 UTC  

Very awesome indeed

2020-12-10 00:05:47 UTC  

It really is

2020-12-10 00:11:58 UTC  

No problem, just wanna be Zeducated and help the community 🙂

2020-12-10 15:53:03 UTC  

Hey guys, im arguing some flaming leftists. I need some sources on why we are better off under Trump than Obamacare for healthcare.

2020-12-10 15:53:11 UTC  

Also, they are arguing that its worse as a trans person under Trump

2020-12-10 15:53:17 UTC  

@Jwolf you free to help me?

2020-12-10 16:20:56 UTC  

just had a half an hour argument with them. like 6 of them. and theyve all stopped talking. the only thing they were clinging onto was the healthcare topic. jesus christ so fucking uncivil sometimes. they tried to default to arguments of personal things to attack me that didnt work lol. tried to attack my belief in God as an atheist... or my homophobia for not wanting gay parents to be able to adopt children when I actually support that.

2020-12-10 16:21:33 UTC  

They called Mike Pence "horny for fracking" too LOL. they told me Trump and Pence want to frack national/federal reserves and parks. that seems like some bullshit to me though

2020-12-10 16:23:29 UTC  

Sorry you had to deal with the whales.

2020-12-10 16:26:00 UTC  

wasnt so bad. but one time on that server there was one decent person who had a good conversation, today it was a mob of people going back nad forth between actually arguing, and just trying to insult or throw shit. someone told me they support freedom of speech, driving a v8, owning guns, etc but they wont support Trump at all because he hates trans people and healthcare?

2020-12-10 16:26:17 UTC  

Healthcare is better and more affordable under Trump than the failure that was Obamacare.

2020-12-10 16:28:42 UTC  

honestly should refrain from getting into arguments like this when im outnumbered and its most likely hopeless.. but I cant fucking stand seeing people say stupid fucking shit and make up lies in their echo chamber circle jerk. then the most belligerent and nasty of those people just slink away and disappear when someone who actually wants to debate and argue shows up.

2020-12-10 16:54:37 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/720435140299587727/786637002770612284/unknown.png

2020-12-10 16:55:32 UTC  

so if anyone is willing to send me some extra articles to have on hand next time, I would be grateful. Specifically about how healthcare is better now than under ObamaCare, how its better for Trans people, and also about how Trump doesnt want to destroy the country, the world, and all of our parks with fracking. thank you!

2020-12-10 17:16:14 UTC  

Healthcare now is better because the revoking of the mandate, requiring everybody to have insurance, which skyrocketed prices for everybody. Also, I believe it was Gorsuch who wrote the opinion protecting Trans people in terms of insurance.

2020-12-10 17:18:36 UTC  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/us/politics/gorsuch-supreme-court-gay-transgender-rights.html

Although this court case does not specifically mention rights regarding health care, it will carry the same precedent if challenged.

2020-12-10 17:20:08 UTC  

thank you Froski!

2020-12-10 17:21:00 UTC  

Silver policies went up, however, bronze policies went down, presumably.

2020-12-10 17:22:22 UTC  

Also, just the key aspect of the Individual Mandate was unconstitutional.

2020-12-10 17:22:48 UTC  

Awesome, can you explain in simple terms why it was unconstitutional and what it made it so?