ship them out to cuba or some other depressed communist nation(not china)...see how they like their 'rights' and their pure communism system

Yes

With so *much* economic prosperity

Ligit a game with infinite spawning enemies has a better economy that cuba

well if they improve conditions in cuba or some other depressed nation under communism

or finally discover whats it's like to be in a cuban prison

I believe all these things that are set at 21 should be dropped to 18 or move everything to 21 including draft. If you can be forced to go to war, you should be able to vote, drink, smoke, etc. I'm also over 21 so I'm not even saying this to be able to do anything I can't already do.

My main issue with raising the minimum age for things is that there's a pretty large group of folks that would suddenly note able to do certain things. I'm 19, and if I found out I can no longer vote, I would be livid.

Just like how I was angry when I found out I could no longer buy tobacco products.

If I was American and was over 18 and civil war broke out, I would join a militia or alternatively I would join the main army

But I am neither American nor over 18

I'm torn on the voting thing. Part of me says leave it as is, another part thinks requiring proof of being a taxpaying citizen would be wise

And that age is largely arbitrary

Idk if requiring taxes to vote should be a thing. You still are effected by the outcome if you pay taxes or not.

Like i dont pay income tax or property taxes on my property.

Yet i 100% vote

Requiring someone to pay taxes is putting a paywall on your rights

It has issues, for instance i really dont like the idea of stay at home mothers being excluded due to not paying taxes either.

When it comes to rights like that if it takes them away from a single person dumpster the idea

But I feel that the founders might have been onto something with the idea of voting rights required being a landowner

Well that made the land the voter and not the person

So i disagree with that as well. Since there would be a huge majority of the country that wouldnt be able to vote since they only rent

Right

All rights should be behind the same age gate. I dont care about smoking that could be 30 and i still wouldnt care

I'm more trying to point out the concern of a welfare state thats been creeping in bit by bit

No other stipulation other than being an adult for rights and the current standard for adult is 18

Well taking away rights from people isnt the solution to a welfare state

I cant disagree with that statement, but it doesn't offer a solution... which is also unacceptable to be left unanswered.... im probably not making any sense...

You can find other solutions without looking for it in unrelated things

Not everything has to propose a solution to other issues. The more unfocused a solution becomes on one problem the less effective it is

why pull out of the geneva convention? do we *want* to commit war crimes?

There are some things within the convention that dont make any sense. Along with the Hague Convention

Like banning hollow points in warfare.

Every *citizen* 18 and over has the right to vote. Giving a minor the right to vote is the same as allowing that child to set it's own boundaries and limits. They will base each decision on their own very small view of the world and with a total lack of experience. They are incapable of making an informed decision. That creates an argument for increasing the age, not lowering it. Far more important is verifying who the voter is, If they are a citizen and have the right to vote and preventing fraud. Anyone opposed to preventing fraud and identification is most likely someone that needs voter fraud to win an election. The argument that requiring ID is somehow preventing anyone from voting is utterly false. We all need ID in todays world to do almost anything. Travel, medical care, using a credit card, other banking, too many to count. Not having an ID isolates you from active society and could get you arrested.

i dont believe lack of ID leads to arrests nowadays. detainment yes until they can verify who you are

Getting put in cuffs and dragged off is close enough for me.

then youre not basing it off a definition of anything just how you feel it is. You will be detained if you are a suspect and dont have identification. Thats just standard procedure, not to mention if theyre detaining you to figure out who you are they had reasonable suspicion to detain you for an investigation already.

So it seems youve left a factual argument for an emotional one at that point

Wasn't the reason for banning hollow points because the crowning effect did more damage then the even in and out of a non-hollow point?

those that violate the geneva convention only get punished when they lose the war

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