@LPA FreeNeko (Hermit's Youth)🇺🇸 lol nope

Tell that to the feminism the US forced them to have.

lol, your version of history is cynical, jaded, and imprecise

>Cynical and Jaded

What?

The US and feminism didn't *infect* Japan.

Feminism was already intrinsic to women. Wealth, high population density, and the resulting cultural developments helped it emerge.

So we're just gonna ignore WW2 like that?

I mean, are we being serious or memeing?

I'm being serious.

O boy.

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So, WW2, we *saved them from themselves*

He's talking about when we forced Japan to give their women's rights

After WW2

Hold up, I wasn't trying to justify what Japan did.

Because they did some atrocious things

In a way, yes i would say the quality of life has increased since the dethroning of there monarch

But that's food for thought, you ladies fight it out

They still had women's rights forced on them by us unfortunately

I'm just saying that they have been culturally westernized

And giving women rights historically seems to correlate with improvements in general societal wealth.

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You notice how the middle east is dirt poor, don't give women rights.

But, across history, as societies grow in wealth, they share more rights with more of their population?

That's basically what was being done with Japan.

@Mr.Black

Lol

It's not all about wealth.

Japanese fertility has been garbage for a long time now because of that.

Just because they give women's rights doesn't mean it improved things in any way

No, I'm not saying it does.

Also womans rights are only one aspect of a country becoming westernized

In fact, my point would be that it's one of the recurring mistakes civilizations make.

I would agree

And also how they pay the US for a good chunk of their defense.

That was part of their surrender.

Look at the us right after ww1 and 2 or even before the us led the industrial revolution but women still had few rights

I'm aware that was a part of their surrender, which is why I brought up WW2