yeah

Didn't know that that's a factor for sure though.

unless the t14 has better gun depression

and europe relies on the US lol

they are great, but they require a very specific set of terrain as almost all of their designs for designed to storm Europes flatlands through Germany

T series tanks generally perform very poorly at defense, due to the extremely poor gun depression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylZ8dT0_Eu8 this guy says it best when it comes to the best mbt (imo)

Russia attemped to fix this design and philosiphy with the T-14, but just like the SU-57 it has faced massive budget problems and very few have actually been made

That being said if a J-20 and an Su-57 get into a fight my money's on the Su-57.

and the T-14 may eventually just fall into the same role as the T-80, being used in Russia's heartland to defend the nations capital and never see the frontlines unless the battle turns that poorly

isnt the J-20 just a knockoff of the F-22?

nah its China's own homegrown design that seemingly has no design influences of other prevous aircraft

Kind of. It does have some influence but not really.

the J-20

fugly when compared to an F-22 or an SU-57

Truth

or even the YF-23

its honestly probably China's most capable stealth fighter, but like the F-22 it is a very aged aircraft, tho it suffers more from age than the F-22

iirc there was a 6th gen jet tested by the us military

is that true?

It's an ugly duckling that's a problem XD

6th gen fights have always been tested

Ooh y'all talking bout my Russian military😏

hell, 6th gen US fighters are supposed to be designed after the YF-23

Anyway in terms of 6th gen eh I don't think any exist right now. Though if they do it's a black program.

hell, the YF-23 is supposed to be alot better than the F-22. but due to cost issues the F-22 was ultimately chosen

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i think the YF-23 would be better for the USAF's doctrine

The F-22 was always going to beat the YF-23. Marketing your product and showing what it can do is paramount.

Lockheed went above and beyond. Northrop did not.

well, the 2 had the same amount of marketting, but the technology put into the YF-23 was ultimately too costly at the time of trials

But there was something missed. They didn't show its capabilities. Martin did.

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well they did, hell the YF-23 is supposed to have a faster supercruise mode than the F-22 does, and the F-22's is already one of the fastest out there

i think the YF-23 also had better stealth

it did

but again, was too expensive compaired to the F-22 at the time

like the MBT-70 was for its time

well, not really

Let's just build an x-wing

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