and the T-14 may eventually just fall into the same role as the T-80, being used in Russia's heartland to defend the nations capital and never see the frontlines unless the battle turns that poorly

isnt the J-20 just a knockoff of the F-22?

nah its China's own homegrown design that seemingly has no design influences of other prevous aircraft

Kind of. It does have some influence but not really.

the J-20

fugly when compared to an F-22 or an SU-57

Truth

or even the YF-23

its honestly probably China's most capable stealth fighter, but like the F-22 it is a very aged aircraft, tho it suffers more from age than the F-22

iirc there was a 6th gen jet tested by the us military

is that true?

It's an ugly duckling that's a problem XD

6th gen fights have always been tested

Ooh y'all talking bout my Russian military😏

hell, 6th gen US fighters are supposed to be designed after the YF-23

Anyway in terms of 6th gen eh I don't think any exist right now. Though if they do it's a black program.

hell, the YF-23 is supposed to be alot better than the F-22. but due to cost issues the F-22 was ultimately chosen

@Chair give ak12 pls <:KEK:795742276549607456>

i think the YF-23 would be better for the USAF's doctrine

The F-22 was always going to beat the YF-23. Marketing your product and showing what it can do is paramount.

Lockheed went above and beyond. Northrop did not.

well, the 2 had the same amount of marketting, but the technology put into the YF-23 was ultimately too costly at the time of trials

But there was something missed. They didn't show its capabilities. Martin did.

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well they did, hell the YF-23 is supposed to have a faster supercruise mode than the F-22 does, and the F-22's is already one of the fastest out there

i think the YF-23 also had better stealth

it did

but again, was too expensive compaired to the F-22 at the time

like the MBT-70 was for its time

well, not really

Let's just build an x-wing

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the MBT-70/KpMz-70 had a whole host of problems not related to its cost

I mean what can go wrong?!

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one of the issues of the MBT-70 was that, due to the entire crew being placed inside the turret, the drivers would experience nausea whenever driving and the turret was turrned

another issue was with its Caseless ammunition leaving behind massive amounts of residue that made the gun inoperable after a few uses

and the final issue was doctrine clashes between the US and Germany

its 20mm was cool tho <:KEK:795742276549607456>

well, only a few versions of it had a 20mm

my question is: why arent there 20mm machine guns on modern mbts?