Hmmmm maybe history REPEATS itself. I dunno *looks at history books*

<:CursedEmoji:763140778770825247> the face after you read them

Don't worry about that though 😜

🤔 and an eloquent orator, that could sell ice cream to eskimos. "If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period."

> I thought it all started because of universal healthcare which tanked the german economy and got the ball rolling towards the events leading upto and including ww2 when the funds started to dry up.

We can also include the harsh reparations in the Treaty of Versailles, demilitarization, and huge loss of territory.

How was Gemany pulled out of its depression after WW1?

Adolf Hitler

He had them build roadways and bridges and such to pay them as well as rebuilding the armed forces, in secret of course

Basically mass spending on both public and governmental assets

In general terms, the start of WW2 can't be pointed out to a single event, it is caused by a lot of events (yes, even in WWI) and factors.

Mhm

All wars never have a simple cause

@chaz do you believe that people should be armed?

@Kaladin ok, so here is my argument: gun deaths in out country are at a tragic high, and I believe a solution, even if it save one life, is still worth pursueing. So the good guy with a gun thing, which is often scoffed at, actually takes president in 3% OF gun crime, 3% is not a lot but it is still worth pursing. However I believe we should also try to prevent a bad guy with a gun, sure they could get a gun illegally, but it is a problem when it is easier for them to get it legally. So I think there are some steps we can take: further background check, check for cases of domestic abuse(idk, just thinking), taking the models of guns that are statically the used the most in crime by a wide margin, keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable, and end online gun sales. It is not a matter of taking away guns, it is a matter of allowing upstanding mentally stable citizen to safely have guns. thoughts

background check is already federally mandated

yes, but there are multible legal ways you gun buy a gun without one (is my understanding)

such as

guns show, private sales, online, charleston loophole

The gun show loop hole, private sale loophole, online slaes loophole are all false

go read 18 USC 922

thanks, again this is just my understanding, you all probably know the law better

how do we feel about making the process longer to diswaud impulse buying?

Dislike that idea

technically any waiting period is illegal

but the more you add the larger the violation of due process

I'm just thinking of ways, supported by numbers, to lower gun deaths

Thing is, gun deaths are statistically fairly low, hell there's almost more car accident deaths than there are gun deaths

Hell there's more deaths via hands, hammers, and knives individually than deatha via guns

Frankly the biggest reason why gun deaths are fairly low is due to good guy with a gun

Because if a bad guy with a gun knows he is surrounded by good guys with a gun, the bad guy with a gun is less inclined to attack someone

and frankly i think gun free zones should be abolished, because all that does is group defenseless people into a single area and its something thats impossible to actually enforce because of things like conceal carry

For those with a criminal record, what if they're trying to turn their lives around and are police informants? if they help bust, say a cartel leader, and that leader finds out, he will order people to kill the person in question for screwing over. So now, he needs to be able to defend himself but he can't obtain a gun with his criminal record, so what now? The police can't help even with the witness protection program, assuming the person even agrees to it as the police also can't stick guards to him as it makes it even more obvious where he lives

if they are a police infomant they can get legal help from the police

@Zilla https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence

good guys with a gun affect 3% of armed confrontation and probably stop another 10% more for simply existing, but there are ways, I belive we can make this tragedy get better while still maintaining the second amendement right.

^^now remove all the big *democrat run* cities and we drop almost to the bottom

this article disagree's with the 3% to 10% statistic, says that: Criminologist and researcher Gary Kleck, using his own commissioned phone surveys and number extrapolation, estimates that Americans use guns for defensive purposes 1.2 million times each year — and that 1 in 6 Americans who have used guns defensively believe someone would have died but for their ability to resort to their defensive use of firearms. Twenty years ago economist John Lott, author of “More Guns, Less Crime,” and his research partner wrote: “We find that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons deters violent crimes and it appears to produce no increase in accidental deaths. If those states which did not have right-to-carry concealed gun provisions had adopted them in 1992, approximately 1,570 murders; 4,177 rapes; and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly.”
https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2019/04/how-many-lives-are-saved-by-guns-and-why-dont-gun-controllers-care/

As for determining how many lives are saved by guns, regulations bar the CDC from conducting original research of the defensive use of firearms. But after the Sandy Hook school massacre in 2012, President Barack Obama issued an executive order allowing the agency to review existing studies on causes of and ways to reduce gun violence. As to defensives uses of guns, the CDC report said, “Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies. … Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

article also goes on to say that the input of waiting periods for gun purchases did nothing to lower the crime rate or suicide rate

@Zilla yes car deaths kill a lot of people 32,000 in 2019, compared to 40,000 gun homicides in the same year. but that auto number used to be much high, but it was brought down by bi paritisen safety laws, thing we could use to help combat this tragedy. also you knife statistic is misleading. acording to the FBI 297 were killed by *rifles* compared to 1545 killed by knives, but guns, also in 2019, killed 38,000.

One thing i will never understand is why AR15s are being targeted even though more crimes related to firearms are done with handguns